#meta 2019-12-13

2019-12-13 UTC
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alexm1 Terms suggested to refer to blogs that support mf2+webmention for social features: social blog, federated blog / fediblog, indieweb-friendly blog with a consensus (reluctant) preference for social blog.
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alexm1 and another one I'm suggesting: micromention (for mf2+webmention) as in "does your blog support micromention?" or "micromention blog"
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alexm1 and there's also "open blog" to refer to blogs that support open standards generally, whether RSS or mf2+webmention or both
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marinin[m] Micromention seems more confusing to me than Microformats plus webmention
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aaronpk yeah i'd stay away from making up a new word for it
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marinin[m] There is a bold stance of redefining the word blog
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marinin[m] E.g. original blogs didn’t have comments, yet we came to expect them by-default
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[KevinMarks] sociable blog or friendly blog
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marinin[m] In some way every readable blog is a social blog to some extent, it just could be shy to interact
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jacky that's interesting terminology
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alexm1 aaronpk: Yeah good point. I'm starting to see it that way. Just keep working towards getting blogs to implement mf2+webmention by demonstrating their utility, and eventually it will become expected as part of a blog, ala RSS.
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jacky it humanizes (anthropomorphizes?) the blog a bit
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aaronpk oh yeah that's another good point alexm1
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jacky that is something I think can be pushed with more 'visible' people getting it done
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jacky like I have some people in mind but they'd want some way to handle moderation (one of the elephants)
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alexm1 It feels like one of the best things that could be done for webmention would be a service like disqus that supports webmentions
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[KevinMarks] re social as derogatory: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/08/social-disease.html
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aaronpk best and worst
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[KevinMarks] so you end up hosting comments for them? you give them a subdomain on the comment site?
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aaronpk i'm already on the fence about the fact that webmention.io is open for anyone to sign up for it, because it means that in practice a large number of websites are relying on me for their comments
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aaronpk giving people an easy way to post comments via webmention is dangerous because if they're not posting them on their own blog then they don't own the content and also people are more likely to be jerks if they dont' have to post comments from their own website
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marinin[m] aaronpk: guilty as charged. Is there a nice migration way re: moving mentions that already happened?
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alexm1 A service's main issue is really just a business model. Disqus sells to commercial blogs, so that doesn't seem unworkable.
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aaronpk not really because everything is tied to a url
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aaronpk or do you mean exporting from webmention.io?
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marinin[m] Yeah, export
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aaronpk i don't have like a download button, but you can get everything out of the api
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[KevinMarks] mention.tech will store webmentions and pass them through
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jacky tbh if the 'storage' system for one's account on webmention could be sent elsewhere or even capped (like to strongly suggest moving elsewhere) that could work
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jacky I've been sitting on doing something like that
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jacky but like upon sign up, giving options for other places to save it
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aaronpk a bunch of the static site generators that are using webmention.io store the webmentions themselves which is nice
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[tantek] aaronpk, yeah I'm going to have to migrate as part of my moderation needs
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[tantek] hmm going to take that to dev ...
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[tantek] oh hey there's no webmention endpoint on https://spec.indieweb.org/ (my UX tells me that much at least 😄 )
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@t ↩️ @ParagA #bluesky sounds interesting. For “existing decentralized standard” see #IndieWeb specs https://spec.indieweb.org/ like W3C #Webmention, and community that actively federates with Twitter (like this reply from my site). Happy to discuss more! https://tantek.com/t5421 (twitter.com/_/status/1205302115108708352)
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[tantek] There we go
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@fathermerry #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1205321566705184768)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "onto 2020!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "onto 2020 for HWC!" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /events/2020-01-08-homebrew-website-club (+3512) "clone from 2019-12-04, add SF! No more commented out past cities. Starting 2020 clean. HWC Organizers will each have to do their own adding." (view diff)
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[tantek] booked MozSF space for 2020-01-08, and I won't be able to host on 2020-01-22
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tantek.com edited /Events (+30) "/* January */ guessing a time for a Berlin pop-up on 2020-01-22 because I'll be in town! And I can host at Mozilla Berlin likely" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] let's see if I got the events right
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[tantek] huh zero photos from HWC that's odd
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[tantek] dives into the markup
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[tantek] ugh WHERE is this getting copy / pasted from?
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[tantek] the </div><!-- h-event --> was before notes and photos. that's NEVER been correct and I'd like to track down where this came from
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club (+0) "move close div to AFTER photos. where did that come from?" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell gRegorLove it says you created https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club&oldid=66273 - where did you copy/paste it from? There's clearly a source of errors being propagated and I'd like to fix the problem at the source
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] alright, will have to wait until the next regen to see if that fixes it
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tantek.com edited /2019/SF (+170) "/* Day 2 */ add day 2 hackathon photo but not for syndication" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2019/SF (+452) "/* Day 1 */ add Andi photo since it’s a good session leading photo, and she wasn't in the group photo" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+359) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think https://indieweb.org/events/2019-11-06-homebrew-website-club was the first HWC page I'd created after quite a hiatus. Guessing I copied it from the most recent HWC page, /events/2019-10-30-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi gRegorLove: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 1 minute ago: it says you created https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club&oldid=66273 - where did you copy/paste it from? There's clearly a source of errors being propagated and I'd like to fix the problem at the source
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gRegorLove 10-30 has that early closed div, so that tracks. Going back further...
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gRegorLove 10-16 has it, 10-02
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gRegorLove 09-26 doesn't
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gRegorLove Possibly started https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-10-02-homebrew-website-club&oldid=65039
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gRegorLove nope, it's in 09-18 first edit too. Heh
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gRegorLove which was cloned from 09-04
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gRegorLove Watch this go back so far it is my fault 😳
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gRegorLove ok, looks like 07-10 had it from the first revision. That was copied from 06-12, but 06-12 did not have it in the first revision, so it got introduced in 06-12's history.
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gRegorLove huh, nope, that's just where the <!-- h-event --> comment got added, though it's actually by the div closing the description.
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gRegorLove Looks like a lot of events are missing a closing div for h-event
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gRegorLove ok, my final answer 😂 It was me, here: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-11-13-homebrew-website-club&oldid=66170
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gRegorLove I copied from 10/30 and updated using the event-location template. I'm guessing I noticed that despite the HTML comment, it was closing the description div, so I added `</div><!-- description-->` before to correct it
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gRegorLove Sorry for the headache!
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gRegorLove so it affected 11-13 and 12-11 that I created, both fixed now. Will definitely double-check when I create any new events
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jacky gRegorLove++ for the splunking!
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Loqi gRegorLove has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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gRegorLove it's funny how far back I went because I was just looking at that dang <!-- h-event --> haha
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[tantek] Thanks for tracking & fixing gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (65 in all channels)
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gRegorLove You did the fixing. Just verified I didn't create any more like that :)
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[manton] Surprised to see my blog post about Bluesky on the Hacker News home page last night... 80 comments but only 1 about the IndieWeb, if anyone else wants to jump in. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21775337
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Loqi [cdevroe] Twitter to decentralize something
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@JmacDotOrg You know what? I’m gonna make a Now page. Like… right now. Why not? #IndieWeb https://nownownow.com/about (twitter.com/_/status/1205492163582332930)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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tantek.com edited /TikTok (+418) "/* Criticism */ suppressed videos by some, Slate article" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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[tantek] manton++ good blog post https://www.manton.org/2019/12/11/twitter-to-decentralize.html
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Loqi manton has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (55 in all channels)
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Loqi Twitter to decentralize… something
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[tantek] ^^^ that should be IndieNewsed!
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aaronpk i agree :)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2020-01-13-goif-meetup (+131) "+h-event class (and made sure it doesn't close early), +p-name" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is Global Open Initative Foundation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Global Open Initative Foundation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Global Open Initative Foundation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove what is GOIF
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GOIF" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "GOIF is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove jgmac1106: What timezone are the goif meetups?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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gRegorLove wonder if we should have some direction about creating event pages before adding them to /Events
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gRegorLove Otherwise not-yet-created wiki pages get linked in the newsletter
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove should they have theor own page? It's an organization
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], not sure, I was checking to see if there was a tz
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gRegorLove I'm not really familiar with it beyond I know you've had some online meetups; a short dfn and link to them might be good.
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@AdjyLeak TYIL #indieweb is a thing and people are working on standardizing web metadata so all this shit (aka. the web) makes sense to 'puters and humans. They have camps and events around the world! This walkthru @redecentralize gives lots of tasty info. https://youtu.be/o1HUdlnvEHU (twitter.com/_/status/1205569306509139969)
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jacky the tastier the better! lol
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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@marinintim ↩️ 24 дня индивеба: http://Webmention.app http://Webmention.app позволяет легко отправлять вебменшены из консоли. https://marinintim.com/2019/indieweb/13/ (twitter.com/_/status/1205593922619265025)
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loqi.me created /sanitizing (+21) "prompted by jacky and redirect added by jacky" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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gregorlove.com created /events/2020-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+10916) "cloned from 2019-12-11" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+386) "/* January */ +SD 2020-01-15" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2020-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+1) "/* When */ fix times" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: divs all in their right places, haha: https://indieweb.org/events/2020-01-15-homebrew-website-club \o/
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2019-12-15-goif-meetup (+132) "+h-event, p-name" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @AdjyLeak @redecentralize With demo controlled by @t #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1205614418064793602)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html
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realize.be edited /PKCE (+60) "/* Micropub Clients */" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html https://t.co/ClglMyI5fN (twitter.com/_/status/1205627230937763842)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I see no evidence of any IWC Accra 2019 planning happening here in chat or wiki so I'm removing it from planning
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[tantek] if there's actual interest in doing one in 2019, please discuss here openly so we can see it coming together (how many organizers, how responsibilities are being divided up, venue, etc.) then add to /Plannin
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[tantek] interest in doing one in *2020* that is
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GWG_ We should schedule an IWC Online 2020
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Loqi I agree
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[tantek] GWG, you're welcome to add an "Online" entry inside /Planning#2020
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gRegorLove Seattle should probably be updated on there too. It's been carried over since 2017. I don't think Salt and AJ are available to organize
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gRegorLove It's under New Locations so I guess that's ok
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[tantek] what is year in review
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some IndieWeb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year https://indieweb.org/year_in_review