#meta 2019-12-13

2019-12-13 UTC
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alexm1
Terms suggested to refer to blogs that support mf2+webmention for social features: social blog, federated blog / fediblog, indieweb-friendly blog with a consensus (reluctant) preference for social blog.
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alexm1
and another one I'm suggesting: micromention (for mf2+webmention) as in "does your blog support micromention?" or "micromention blog"
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alexm1
and there's also "open blog" to refer to blogs that support open standards generally, whether RSS or mf2+webmention or both
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marinin[m]
Micromention seems more confusing to me than Microformats plus webmention
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aaronpk
yeah i'd stay away from making up a new word for it
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marinin[m]
There is a bold stance of redefining the word blog
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marinin[m]
E.g. original blogs didn’t have comments, yet we came to expect them by-default
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[KevinMarks]
sociable blog or friendly blog
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marinin[m]
In some way every readable blog is a social blog to some extent, it just could be shy to interact
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jacky
that's interesting terminology
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alexm1
aaronpk: Yeah good point. I'm starting to see it that way. Just keep working towards getting blogs to implement mf2+webmention by demonstrating their utility, and eventually it will become expected as part of a blog, ala RSS.
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jacky
it humanizes (anthropomorphizes?) the blog a bit
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aaronpk
oh yeah that's another good point alexm1
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jacky
that is something I think can be pushed with more 'visible' people getting it done
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jacky
like I have some people in mind but they'd want some way to handle moderation (one of the elephants)
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alexm1
It feels like one of the best things that could be done for webmention would be a service like disqus that supports webmentions
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aaronpk
best and worst
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[KevinMarks]
so you end up hosting comments for them? you give them a subdomain on the comment site?
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aaronpk
i'm already on the fence about the fact that webmention.io is open for anyone to sign up for it, because it means that in practice a large number of websites are relying on me for their comments
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aaronpk
giving people an easy way to post comments via webmention is dangerous because if they're not posting them on their own blog then they don't own the content and also people are more likely to be jerks if they dont' have to post comments from their own website
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marinin[m]
aaronpk: guilty as charged. Is there a nice migration way re: moving mentions that already happened?
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alexm1
A service's main issue is really just a business model. Disqus sells to commercial blogs, so that doesn't seem unworkable.
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aaronpk
not really because everything is tied to a url
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aaronpk
or do you mean exporting from webmention.io?
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marinin[m]
Yeah, export
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aaronpk
i don't have like a download button, but you can get everything out of the api
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[KevinMarks]
mention.tech will store webmentions and pass them through
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jacky
tbh if the 'storage' system for one's account on webmention could be sent elsewhere or even capped (like to strongly suggest moving elsewhere) that could work
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jacky
I've been sitting on doing something like that
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jacky
but like upon sign up, giving options for other places to save it
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aaronpk
a bunch of the static site generators that are using webmention.io store the webmentions themselves which is nice
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[tantek]
aaronpk, yeah I'm going to have to migrate as part of my moderation needs
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[tantek]
hmm going to take that to dev ...
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[tantek]
oh hey there's no webmention endpoint on https://spec.indieweb.org/ (my UX tells me that much at least 😄 )
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@t
↩️ @ParagA #bluesky sounds interesting. For “existing decentralized standard” see #IndieWeb specs https://spec.indieweb.org/ like W3C #Webmention, and community that actively federates with Twitter (like this reply from my site). Happy to discuss more! https://tantek.com/t5421
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[tantek]
There we go
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tantek.com
edited /next-hwc (+0) "onto 2020!"
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "onto 2020 for HWC!"
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tantek.com
created /events/2020-01-08-homebrew-website-club (+3512) "clone from 2019-12-04, add SF! No more commented out past cities. Starting 2020 clean. HWC Organizers will each have to do their own adding."
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[tantek]
booked MozSF space for 2020-01-08, and I won't be able to host on 2020-01-22
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+30) "/* January */ guessing a time for a Berlin pop-up on 2020-01-22 because I'll be in town! And I can host at Mozilla Berlin likely"
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-12-13.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek]
let's see if I got the events right
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[tantek]
huh zero photos from HWC that's odd
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[tantek]
dives into the markup
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[tantek]
ugh WHERE is this getting copy / pasted from?
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[tantek]
the </div><!-- h-event --> was before notes and photos. that's NEVER been correct and I'd like to track down where this came from
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tantek.com
edited /events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club (+0) "move close div to AFTER photos. where did that come from?"
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[tantek]
!tell gRegorLove it says you created https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club&oldid=66273 - where did you copy/paste it from? There's clearly a source of errors being propagated and I'd like to fix the problem at the source
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek]
alright, will have to wait until the next regen to see if that fixes it
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tantek.com
edited /2019/SF (+170) "/* Day 2 */ add day 2 hackathon photo but not for syndication"
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edited /2019/SF (+452) "/* Day 1 */ add Andi photo since it’s a good session leading photo, and she wasn't in the group photo"
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gRegorLove
I think https://indieweb.org/events/2019-11-06-homebrew-website-club was the first HWC page I'd created after quite a hiatus. Guessing I copied it from the most recent HWC page, /events/2019-10-30-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
gRegorLove: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 1 minute ago: it says you created https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club&oldid=66273 - where did you copy/paste it from? There's clearly a source of errors being propagated and I'd like to fix the problem at the source
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gRegorLove
10-30 has that early closed div, so that tracks. Going back further...
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gRegorLove
10-16 has it, 10-02
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gRegorLove
09-26 doesn't
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gRegorLove
nope, it's in 09-18 first edit too. Heh
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gRegorLove
which was cloned from 09-04
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gRegorLove
Watch this go back so far it is my fault 😳
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gRegorLove
ok, looks like 07-10 had it from the first revision. That was copied from 06-12, but 06-12 did not have it in the first revision, so it got introduced in 06-12's history.
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gRegorLove
huh, nope, that's just where the <!-- h-event --> comment got added, though it's actually by the div closing the description.
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gRegorLove
Looks like a lot of events are missing a closing div for h-event
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gRegorLove
I copied from 10/30 and updated using the event-location template. I'm guessing I noticed that despite the HTML comment, it was closing the description div, so I added `</div><!-- description-->` before to correct it
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gRegorLove
Sorry for the headache!
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gRegorLove
so it affected 11-13 and 12-11 that I created, both fixed now. Will definitely double-check when I create any new events
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jacky
gRegorLove++ for the splunking!
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
it's funny how far back I went because I was just looking at that dang <!-- h-event --> haha
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[tantek]
Thanks for tracking & fixing gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
You did the fixing. Just verified I didn't create any more like that :)
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