#meta 2020-02-20

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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-638) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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sknebel ok, bit early to do that Kaja
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sknebel hm, did HWC NYC not have an events.indieweb.org entry?!
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sknebel no, it has
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sknebel ah, nevermind, missed the line in the div *phew*
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sknebel *diff
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk HWC SF hasn't happened yet and it is missing from https://events.indieweb.org/ (however is listed in past events). What happened? FYI: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-eiKvWhy3hxoE
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t Reminder: Homebrew Website Club TONIGHT 17:30 @MozSF! Looking forward to catching up! @brb_irl @Kongaloosh @indirect @JackyAlcine @generativist @AndiGalpern @allaboutgeorge @benwerd @dietrich @pvh @JohnMattDavis @html5cat More: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-eiKvWhy3hxoE https://tantek.com/t55B1 (twitter.com/_/status/1230287937733947392)
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@joemasilotti @indiewebcamp hi there! I’m excited to participate this weekend. What qualifies as a “personal website”? I have a personal blog and a website that I’m trying to make into a real business (that I am the only contributor towards). Which, if either, qualify? (twitter.com/_/status/1230296889070936065)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ Hi, Joe. Both! Trends more towards personal sites but we have some IndieWeb for business examples: https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_for_business I'll be there this weekend, too. Look forward to meeting you! (twitter.com/_/status/1230298167301804033)
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[jgmac1106] schmarty++ 100% agree go with the Uni space over coffee shop, its a small island
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tantek.com edited /100_days (+0) "/* 2020 */ 49!" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk help! spam in #indieweb
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[tantek] IRC spam bots
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[tantek] can anyone else help kick?
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[tantek] looks like we need to re-activate the spam blocking measures
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katherine1 discussing interactive research papers and other ways to present information rich/dense stuff beyond PDFs https://worldmodels.github.io
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[tantek] like not allowing statements from unvoiced users for whatever period of time etc.
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aaronpk omg
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 44 minutes ago: HWC SF hasn't happened yet and it is missing from https://events.indieweb.org/ (however is listed in past events). What happened? FYI: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-eiKvWhy3hxoE
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aaronpk ok here we go
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[tantek] we might need to keep this on
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[tantek] because I don't want to have to trust Freenode to block this stuff
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aaronpk freenode's bot has been pretty good, i'm surprised it didn't catch this
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[tantek] Katherine showed her new website that she's built locally with Ruby/Jekyll!
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katherine1 this amazing essay on what the web can be: https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/laurel-schwulst-my-website-is-a-shifting-house-next-to-a-river-of-knowledge-what-could-yours-be/
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katherine1 and laurel schwult's personal website with interesting tutorials and lessons http://www.laurelschwulst.com
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katherine1 homegrown social media: http://petals.network and https://special.fish
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katherine1 brutalist websites: https://brutalistwebsites.com
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katherine1 geocities institute https://blog.geocities.institute
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aaronparecki.com edited /IRC (+97) "/* Red Alert Mode */" (view diff)
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dym.sh edited /User:Dym.sh (+49) (view diff)
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@artlung Thanks @gRegorLove & @simon_prickett for making tonight's #indieweb San Diego Homebrew Website Club another success. I, yes, blogged about it. http://artlung.com/blog/2020/02/19/happy-19th-birthday-blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1230339448916738048)
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aaronpk !tell gRegorLove I fixed the og:image issue on events.indieweb.org!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[andre] > As far as I can tell, the single continuous sequence is ~roughly what Dropbox Paper does (although I believe they use operational transform instead of CRDTs), since they tend to have sync errors when todo items are concurrently edited and moved around.
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[andre] https://lord.io/blog/2019/splicing-crdts/
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[andre] oh hey, speaking of editing text concurrently:
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boffosocko.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+13) "/* Indigenous for Android */ read support added earlier this week" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+18) "/* Postly */ aka InkBlot" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /posts (+12) "snark" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+236) "/* Implementation status */ Indigenous for Android" (view diff)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2020-050-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2020-050-hwc-sf.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "today's HWC" (view diff)
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@JamieTanna ↩️ Yep, the next one is the 4th March https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/homebrew-website-club-nottingham-FWdZAqhKZBnq - would be good to see you there! (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/02/wnywz/) (twitter.com/_/status/1230397646722027520)
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk made the edits you requested https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/10
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [tantek] #10 br & date fixes, related events
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@kimihito_ “IndieWeb” https://htn.to/2iAv1SDMfc (twitter.com/_/status/1230417755653857282)
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@davidfq It's encouraging to see how people are getting more and more into personal websites. The next step would be to being able to take the conversation out of Twitter. #webmentions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1230437227714502656)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /repost (+772) "/* Why */ Adding section Why Not, prompted by {{tantek}}" (view diff)
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@joemasilotti ↩️ @gRegorLove @indiewebcamp Ok cool, thanks for the info. Looking forward to the weekend! (twitter.com/_/status/1230486432965447681)
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/10
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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@borisschapira ↩️ @cmozzati @Unpied @MelleBene Voire avoir un dispositif web qui s'auto-syndique sur les RS, parce que pourquoi pas :) https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1230511863403810817)
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@Inoreader We just dropped some pretty big updates to our mobile apps. Automatic Night mode, Better Microblogs support, and Sort by Magic are some of the highlights. #microblogs #indieweb https://blog.inoreader.com/2020/02/inoreader-mobile-apps-updated-to-support-automatic-night-mode-microblogs-sort-by-magic-and-popularity-indicators.html (twitter.com/_/status/1230512755431682048)
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www.lewiscowles.co.uk edited /Wix (+246) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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@generativist I failed to make pork chops that had been marinating for 12 hours yesterday because I went to an @indiewebcamp homebrew at the very last minute. Later today I'll be grilling pork chops that have been marinating for 36 hours. I have no idea what's going to happen. (twitter.com/_/status/1230515107139973121)
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@megarush1024 Advocating on behalf of the Indieweb is going to be a lot like advocating for accessibility, isn’t it? (https://www.arush.io/archives/96453/2020/02/20/11/19/) (twitter.com/_/status/1230527447331897344)
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@JamieTanna ↩️ I want to say that some of the folks in the #IndieWeb may be able to chime in on this too, as we try to publish events to our sites where possible (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/02/aa93n/) (twitter.com/_/status/1230532324472840192)
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[tantek] jeremycherfas++ that's an excellent Why not repost write-up with good reasoning
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@tomwiththeweath IndieWebCamp Austin is this weekend! There are a few tickets available: https://2020.indieweb.org/austin #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1230535629286658048)
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[tantek] are we really about to sell out IWC Austin?
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jmac.org edited /Perl (+1035) "Replaced the stub with a short summary of Perl's history and status, with links to IndieWeb implementations." (view diff)
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jmac ☝️ I welcome checks on this
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jmac I happened to run into the Wiki's page on Perl yesterday and snorted. All due respect to Kevin Marks and I hope he doesn't mind that I tossed out his grumpy one-line definition from 2015.
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[tantek] jmac++ for improving the page and replacing the snarkinition
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[tantek] jmac, key feedback on your edit would be to drop all the "general perl knowledge" stuff that belongs on Wikipedia, not here, and instead provide a direct connection to Perl's relevance to indieweb *in the definition* per https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Definitions_include_indieweb_relevance
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jmac OK, I can just grind that stuff down
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jmac I'm looking at the Python page now, it's a good model
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[LewisCowles] jmac++
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jmac Shall we drop the Tim Bray see-also too?
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sknebel jmac++
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[manton] [tantek] Yes, the ticket limit is 35 but that also doesn't count a couple of the speakers and Indie RSVPs. I'm still hoping we can move to a larger room when we do a walk-through tomorrow, but if not we'll likely scrap one of the tables and add more chairs to make sure there's room for everyone.
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[manton] I also need to send an email to everyone who registered today.
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[tantek] manton what is the room capacity?
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[manton] 28 classroom-style with tables, 60 with chairs. So I figured if we had over 28, we'd split the difference and have a mix of tables and chairs.
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[tantek] yup makes sense. in other setups like that I've seen folks tear down the tables from front to back
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[manton] Cool. When we talk to the folks at the venue tomorrow, I'm hoping they'll have some recommendations for how best to accomodate everyone just in case we have extra people.
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[manton] Also expecting some number of registrations to drop off, as usual.
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jmac.org edited /Perl () "(-528) An attempt to reorganize the page on IndieWeb Wiki principles" (view diff)
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jmac [tantek]: Does this look better? (I just ripped off and simplified the Python page)
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jmac And I even kept Bray's cranky quote because it's pretty good
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[tantek] jmac, that's MUCH better! Still need to include something explicit in the dfn about *why* it's relevant to the indieweb
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[tantek] e.g.
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[tantek] what is perl
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Perl
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[tantek] hmm, that needs fixing
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tantek.com edited /Perl (+72) "dfn markup, see also language, fix typo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Python (-3) "/* See Also */ move jargon cat" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is Perl
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Loqi Perl is a general-purpose programming language, particularly ubiquitous in Unix-based environments https://indieweb.org/Perl
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[tantek] jmac ^^^ note that says nothing about why it is relelvant to indieweb
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[tantek] still need to provide a direct connection to Perl's relevance to indieweb *in the definition* per https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Definitions_include_indieweb_relevance
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jmac [tantek]: '''<dfn>Perl</dfn>''' is a general-purpose programming language. Its ubiquitous availability, its long history as a basis for Web technologies, and a rich collection of relevant third-party code libraries make Perl a suitable language for IndieWeb projects.
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jmac How's that
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[tantek] the first sentence is still kinda useless for indieweb purposes, really need to get the indieweb relevance literally into the first definition, and not marketing like that
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[tantek] lots of things have relevant third-party code libraries, that doesn't mean it has any specific relevance to IndieWeb
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[tantek] there are many general purpose programming languages
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[tantek] literally into the first *sentence
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jmac I mean the literal definition is "jmac keeps insisting on using it, so here it is"
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[LewisCowles] That is an amazing thing
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[LewisCowles] any links to Perl things? I’ve not touched Perl since YaBB
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jmac Adapting the Python page again: "Perl is a programming language used by a handful of IndieWeb projects." Simple as that?
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jmac (changing "many" to "a handful of" here)
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jmac [LewisCowles]: See https://indieweb.org/Perl :)
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jmac I'm just gonna be bold™ and make that the definition; less is more
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jmac.org edited /Perl (-29) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Perl (+19) "and personal sites, as the examples demonstrate!" (view diff)
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[tantek] jmac, yes that works! the projects are documented in the libraries section (thank you!), and I extended the dfn to also note personal sites explicitly to make it clear it's just not some project, it's in use on people's sites
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jmac Excellent, thank you
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jmac I see that the python page lists some Web-relevant (but not IndieWeb-specific) libraries too, and separately; I may follow up likewise later
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[tantek] better to link out to such lists, rather than listing such libraries explicitly
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[tantek] otherwise it crowds out the indieweb libraries
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jmac right
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[tantek] maybe the Python page needs some pruning
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@generativist "What is [data] local-first when you have three locals?" (@kongaloosh riffing off @t's prompt last night at @indiewebcamp @mozsf.) (twitter.com/_/status/1230561430203535360)
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@pvh ↩️ @generativist @kongaloosh @t @indiewebcamp @MozSF Sorry I missed it! (twitter.com/_/status/1230566133008236545)
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[tantek] !tell [Katherine], Kongaloosh, [generativist], [andre] great seeing you at HWC SF last night! I've posted the next event for March 4th: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-KTBJlSw7JJKm see if you can sign into indieweb.org with your domain name and then RSVP to the event (there's an RSVP button at the bottom of the page when you're signed up 🙂 )
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk fredcy_: i locked it down because of the spam from yesterday. if you're on /chat-names then Loqi should automatically give you +v there
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 12 hours ago: made the edits you requested https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/10
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+173) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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fredcy.com edited /chat-names (+84) (view diff)
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aaronpk great, it sometimes takes a while so i'll just fix it there manually for now too
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@voetbalgeneuzel ↩️ @ItweetAjax https://indieweb.org/snitch_tagging (twitter.com/_/status/1230590105389236224)
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@fluffy ↩️ I really hate what happened to this place. I’m just glad that there’s enough other folks in the indieweb and fediverse and so on who remember what it’s like to have a personal website that doesn’t have to be an eyeball-retaining profit center (twitter.com/_/status/1230591120670806017)
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@voetbalgeneuzel ↩️ https://indieweb.org/snitch_tagging die mensen zelf zitten er niet op te wachten, als ik zou willen dat diegene het zou weten @ ze zelf wel en als ik bang was om het te zeggen zou ik het niet openbaar op twitter doen (twitter.com/_/status/1230591634129195009)
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@fluffy ↩️ Hmm, at a glance it seems like it’s trying to invent the same stuff that IndieWeb has been doing forever, but with an annoying schema on top. I don’t see how this is better than what’s already being worked on by a much larger group of people. (twitter.com/_/status/1230598601585246208)
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@corbden ↩️ @fluffy I looked at Indieweb and had trouble figuring out what they're doing? Do you have an elevator pitch? (twitter.com/_/status/1230598796196773888)
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[tantek] looks like the mornings are going to be kinda cold in Austin
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[Katherine] hmm I'll have to set this up later; my domain isn't authenticated. I plan on being there though
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks.
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[tantek] Yay! [Katherine]! The RSVP is optional, and we can set it up at the next HWC if you want, or maybe this weekend in chat during IndieWebCamp Austin!
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Loqi 😃
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[manton] [tantek] Yeah, weather took a turn this week. I was expecting it would be a little warmer for folks visiting from out of town.
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@fluffy ↩️ Yeah I think one of the first things I’m going to do at my new job is make a case for adding mf2 to everything. It’s a low-effort high-return means of adding better indieweb support to a site. (And it’s way better than opengraph!) (twitter.com/_/status/1230616870845218816)
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@mickael I have been tuning my IndieWeb publishing worflow. Back to http://Micro.blog for status post, but now also using Wordpress for long form posts on http://MickaelRemond.com. https://micro.remond.im/ (twitter.com/_/status/1230617590789234688)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The p-content is fine but you should have a p-comment h-cite on the <li> - see https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_markup (twitter.com/_/status/1230639181015154689)
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