#meta 2020-03-06

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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-03-06.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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takev[m] aaronpk (@freenode_aaronpk:matrix.org): I probably could have been more clear. I meant on pages like h-recipe, which are just a stub and a link. I just think frames have potential for cross referencing info.
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aaronpk ah yeah the mf2 vocabularies. I dunno if frames are the right solution though, seems like linking out is enough. it makes it clear there is little indieweb usage of that mf2 vocab
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aaronpk the indieweb usage of microformats ends up with a whole bunch of different post types all using mf2 h-entry. photos, notes, articles, replies, checkins, etc.
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takev[m] Probably not. Hot takes are usually terrible opinions. A URL is probably sufficient.
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I’ve gone full IndieWeb, but for Webmention you’ll want the Webmention & Semantic Linkbacks plugins. If you want to go full-bore, which I suspect you may based on what I see on your website, who you’re following, and how you’re using it, you [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/05/55768715/?replytocom=281649#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1235792464927023104)
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@ruxton ↩️ @feather welcome back home to the indieweb :P (twitter.com/_/status/1235800061356855298)
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@brettkosinski Social media algorithms care only that you're engaged. They exist to advertise. Everything else is a side-effect. RSS lets you ditch the machine and build your own feed from trusted sources. #indieweb #politics #technology: https://b-ark.ca/4gOOEQ (twitter.com/_/status/1235814567055261696)
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@schnarfed ↩️ @eeril or probably https://indieweb.org/PESETAS (twitter.com/_/status/1235836466506301441)
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jamietanna[m] With news that lots of (very large) conferences are cancelling due to Coronavirus, do we think IWC London is still going ahead?
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[tantek] Unless we hear otherwise, yes!
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[KevinMarks] There's a combinatorial aspect to transmission that means that cancelling large gatherings makes sense.
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[KevinMarks] The UK has a pretty good testing to cases ratio at the moment, which implies good containment.
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[tantek] Also, small conferences are not cancelling AFAIK
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[tantek] Just going to leave this here https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/ (Google Reader is on the list 😂)
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@devilgate Some thoughts on using Instapaper, from Dan J: Doubling Down on Instapaper – Dan J’s IndieWeb Headquarters. Quite similar to my own experience (though with more note-taking). https://www.danj.ca/doubling-down-on-instapaper/ (twitter.com/_/status/1235871601725280257)
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[LewisCowles] Can confirm the raspberry Jam my friend is organising locally this Sunday is going ahead.
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[LewisCowles] The only thing that will continue to aggravate me (besides peddling kids walled gardens); will be people turning up to the event sick, coughing etc or attempting to make unwanted bodily contact (which is any)
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[tantek] Is this a pi hackathon?
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[jgmac1106] why all the shade for FTP? Is it a securyity risk?Only way I have really moved files for 20 years. works fine for me
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[jgmac1106] before I even had websites we would trade music over ftp until university shut it down, then used p2p since then for music
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[jgmac1106] Happy to use a better way to push files to my shared host, just let me know what works better and why
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[tantek] yeah SFTP or scp
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[jgmac1106] I SFTP, just still call it ftp from habit
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[LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] missing the S off is the reason. The provider you linked yesterday had the same thing, but upon reading they mentioned they recommend sFTP and I was happy and silent on the issue.
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[LewisCowles] Having a distribution that doesn't hate all it's users was the original way to deploy I'm aware of. Filesystem snapshots. As complexity creeps up services become more than a single binary or collection of PHP files, it becomes harder, and people using the tool poorly lead to a conflation of the tooling being poor, to their bad experience being a bad experience, or one suited to a particular type of system (distributed monolith)
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[LewisCowles] The other problem with it as a distribution mechanism is that it assumes everything is ready to run and there are semi-automatic migrations, vendoring etc. Technically that isn't a limitation, rather a higher bar, most developers are not used to.
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[LewisCowles] Tantek, this one is a pi-jam, but we've had a hackathon in the past, which I'm happy helped or put significant progress towards helping people with dementia.
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[LewisCowles] The most valuable part of the hackathon was a non-attendee I know, was able to pair up with an attendee to advance their charity offering and get some publicity and recognition for all the hard work they've put in for years.
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[jgmac1106] [LewisCowles] interesting to note, when I use my client I am sFTPing but the GitHub action I use (primary way I push) is just FTP I think
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[jgmac1106] you should add what you just wrote to the FTP page
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[jgmac1106] the only reason I was recommending that to @drewmcweeney is I know large file uploads over cPanel file manager will fail
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Loqi definitely
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[LewisCowles] well it's a snarky way to put it towards those denigrating file-based deploys
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[jgmac1106] well if you can reduce the snark, maybe helpful o people like me who really don't know, I have just 100% always done it this way
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[LewisCowles] For what I know you're doing, it's a fine way to do things.
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[LewisCowles] If you were to move on the Known auto-deploy for multi-tenant software resale. It might not continue to be a good fit
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[jgmac1106] ahh okay, that explains difference
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[jgmac1106] [LewisCowles] ++
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@adactioLinks Oh Hello Ana - IndieWebCamp London https://ohhelloana.blog/indiewebcamp-london (twitter.com/_/status/1235893222909542400)
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www.lewiscowles.co.uk edited /FTP (+1933) (view diff)
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[LewisCowles] what is FTP?
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Loqi FTP is an abbreviation for File Transfer Protocol, a way to move files for a website or application to a different machine (like your webserver) https://indieweb.org/FTP
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[LewisCowles] ftp is /FTP
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[LewisCowles] hmm. I need to bone up on syntax. Perhaps after passing my radio ham
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[KevinMarks] I love how the link preview sounds like adactio is surprised
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jamietanna[m] Any idea why there are two images from HWC Nottingham on the newsletter / event post, aaronpk? Could it be both the twitter and original post mentioning the event?
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[jgmac1106] jaimetanna did you edit, same thing happened to me in New Haven, the image appeared three times
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[jgmac1106] my orginal theory was a duplicate from Bridgy and Twitter as well, but I think it was from me updating the post. aaronpk is looking into it
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[jgmac1106] I think what you need to do is delete the post with duplicates and send it again
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[jgmac1106] [LewisCowles] ftp talk inspired me to make a wikipedia edit until someone rejects it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom#Fandom_and_Technology
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: I think it's a bug where it's not deleting previous photos when it gets a webmention update
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aaronpk I can fix it this morning
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jamietanna[m] Oh interesting - I did resend the WM but don't think it would've introduced an update. Ty tho!
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-03-06.html
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by Cheukting: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/23
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[jgmac1106] reminded me I need to fix before the webmention goes out. [aaronpk]. I am going to delete all the responses and resend it
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/23
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cheuk.dev edited /2020/London (+111) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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cheuk.dev edited /2020/London (-37) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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[LewisCowles] [jgmac1106] I'm unsure if we're saying I have fandom for FTP lol
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: okay i found the bug and i'm fixing it now. basically if it ever received a webmention from an existing url, it would keep adding photos it found in that page
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jamietanna[m] Ah that would explain it!
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2020-064-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2020-064-hwc-sf.jpg"
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aaronpk whyyy
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aaronpk so much easier to upload to the event page
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[tantek] That’s the shortcut in my iPod 😂
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aaronpk wait what
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aaronpk like, "Shortcut" shortcut?
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[tantek] No like bookmark on home screen
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[tantek] Never actually go shortcuts to work at all
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[tantek] In iOS12. Despite everyone claiming they’re magic
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[schmarty] tantek: i don't believe i have ever said they're _magic_. they're a lot of work to set up, but after that they are very convenient. :}
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aaronpk yeah quite a lot of work but so so convenient after!
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: okay it's fixed! and now sending update webmentions won't double up the photos again 😂
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jamietanna[m] Awesome thanks for the quick fix!
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[jgmac1106] [LewisCowles]...noo it triggered a memory of trading shows and dat tapes...for the first time folks were liberated from the "generation" issue of cassette trading
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jamietanna[m] Aaronpk while you're around do you have any thoughts on https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/140 - I've been having tonnes of trouble getting things set up locally to try and debug myself
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Loqi [jamietanna] #140 Bookmarks/likes not rendering correctly when post has multiple `u-url`s
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aaronpk yeah that's a long-standing bug
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aaronpk but the good news is i just stopped my website from sending webmentions to your home page so the occurrences of this should be reduced anyway :)
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[tantek] aaronpk [schmarty] I tried to setup a simple two step shortcut and it didn’t even work and no one here had any debugging advice either so I gave up
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aaronpk i bet [Rose] can help :)
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[tantek] No errors or anything just silent failure
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[jgmac1106] thx aaronpk looks like you already fixed my duplicates
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[schmarty] i had a really steep learning/tinkering curve on Shortcuts
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jamietanna[m] Nice! That'll definitely reduce it. I mostly get them from myself, from ie bookmarks
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: yes, same bug
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[schmarty] learned a lot browsing and searching the Automators podcast forums: https://talk.automators.fm/
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jamietanna[m] Do you happen to know where it may sit? Ie could it be an xray issue, or just wmio?
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aaronpk yeah the lack of feedback is definitely frustrating
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jamietanna[m] Happy to move to dev
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aaronpk sure
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[tantek] Ok Aaronpk I tried the upload photo directly to Events . IndieWeb thing and got
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aaronpk uhoh did i just break that
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aaronpk i bet i did one sec
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[tantek] Database error (see Slack photo)
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aaronpk yep i know what happened
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aaronpk fixing the other bug caused this :)
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aaronpk should be fixed now
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aaronpk here's the alt text in case that got lost:
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aaronpk > Participants of HWC San Francisco pose in two rows in front of a large screen displaying an 80s style Homebrew Website Club logo in the commons room at Mozilla San Francisco.
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[tantek] figures the first time I try
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aaronpk 😂
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[tantek] oh hey it worked!
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[tantek] aaronpk++
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[tantek] now I just need to remember to change my workflow post-HWC
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aaronpk yay
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aaronpk hopefully it was a better experience than uploading to the wiki
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aaronpk if not, feedback is appreciated
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[tantek] and I've only been doing it the hard way for two months 🤦‍♂️
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[tantek] uh yeah, I didn't have to hand code an <img class=u-photo alt=... /> tag
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[tantek] I mean in the hybrid way of upload to wiki, then Edit events.indieweb description to add the photo
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aaronpk ohh i didn't realize you were doing that wow
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[tantek] the alt text field right at the upload point is great
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[tantek] would appreciate if it could be a textarea that wrapped because on mobile I write alt texts that are multiple lines
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aaronpk ooh
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[tantek] I suppose I should file an issue
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[tantek] other than that the mobile UI is MUCH better than MediaWiki upload
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[tantek] so much pinch and zoom and scroll just to see / edit wtf is going on
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aaronpk excellent
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[manton] FYI, I'm sending out a survey to IndieWebCamp Austin people, mostly to get some extra feedback that'll help us make changes for next year, since we're leaning toward a new venue, etc.
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+38) "/* Ask Organizers */ move folks who haven't organized a HWC in 2+ years to emeritus" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+525) "/* What to bring */ How to wrap up, take a photo, provide suggestions" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich If Twitter doesn't love you, the IndieWeb would. I wish Twitter clients like @tweetings @twitterrific @tweetbot @TalonAndroid would support Micropub for publishing and Microsub for reading/following. [more...] #BreakingMyTwitter https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/06/apps-of-a-feather-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1236005622308429825)
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@bmann ↩️ I had to briefly troubleshoot my self-hosted webmentions :), but check out all the tweets that got pulled in on this laptop article: https://blog.bmannconsulting.com/laptop-choices/ I'm super glad I have that discussion in my own space! This path will lead you down the route of #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1236019869507710976)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/113
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Another great option is @kevinmarks' http://NoterLive.com which lets you Tweetstorm away and cut/paste (PESOS) the stream to your website (with appropriate mark up when done). Other ideas at https://indieweb.org/tweetstorm https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/06/55768737/ (twitter.com/_/status/1236039300212338688)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/114
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[tantek] I'm wondering how we should remove or turn-off all the "Register" sections for past IWCs on 2019. and 2020.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by martymcguire: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/113
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[tantek] I'm thinking of just commenting out the "Register" section in the /public/cityname.php files
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by martymcguire: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/114
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[tantek] Here I'll do one and if it works ok and people think it's ok, then I can do the rest
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gRegorLove In some work projects, I usually set a PHP DateTime that it closes then compare with current time
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[tantek] for the Tito tickets, they should automatically show "Ended" based on the ticket end dates
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[tantek] but some of them don't for whatever reason
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[tantek] anyway no need to waste time loading the tito embed anyway for past events
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gRegorLove and if no earlier DateTime is specified, use the event's date itself
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[tantek] at least the tito register embed. I'll keep the tito-tickets embed
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[tantek] gRegorLove or the day after, just in case 🙂
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-03-06.html
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gRegorLove slow wiki week for new pages, heh
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[tantek] uh oh really?
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gRegorLove Just two
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[tantek] hmm
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gRegorLove makes my dfn checking easier :)
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[chrisaldrich] tweetstorm << https://twitter.com/crtr0/status/1236001257778630656
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/crtr0/status/1236001257778630656" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68873&oldid=68052
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[chrisaldrich] tweetstorm << https://www.exquisitetweets.com/ for compiling threads to put back onto one's website
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.exquisitetweets.com/ for compiling threads to put back onto one's website" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68874&oldid=68873
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[tantek] might be a good time to create the separate social reader page
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/115
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[tantek] alright let's see how that works
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by gRegorLove: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/115
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[tantek] well that didn't work as expected, removing the register embed disabled the tito-rsvps embed somehow
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[tantek] https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Austin
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/116
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by martymcguire: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/116
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@ChrisAldrich I wish @ThreadReaderApp had the ability to authenticate into my personal website & publish a copy of my tweetstorms into my blog using Micropub. This would be a great way to leverage existing infrastructure and to allow people to put their [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/06/indieweb-idea-for-the-extension-of-threadreaderapp/ (twitter.com/_/status/1236046889054654465)
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[tantek] ok now I'm confused. restoring the tito-embed failed to restore the tito rsvps embed
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gRegorLove brittle tito js?
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[KevinMarks] Hm, there are 2 hotels subsections on the page
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aaronpk the RSVPs have nothing to do with the tito embed
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[tantek] aaronpk, alright I'll try another one (and redo the Austin one since no idea why 2019 Austin RSVPs are no longer showing up )
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aaronpk they were there before the change?
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[tantek] I thought so but maybe I was imagining
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[tantek] I'm going to try another one that I verified (2019 Berlin2) and see if it breaks
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[tantek] either way, why are they gone now? https://2019.indieweb.org/austin#registrations-rsvps
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aaronpk were they ever there?
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aaronpk normally there's a file that stores the registrations from tito on disk, I see that file for the other events but not for austin
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aaronpk I also don't see any tito credentials for austin that are required to generate that file
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aaronpk is it possible it was just never there?
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aaronpk hmm, archive.org says 11 private registrations http://web.archive.org/web/20190328172716/https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Austin
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aaronpk but then none in november http://web.archive.org/web/20191117073345/https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Austin
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aaronpk somewhere between april and november they disappeared, but it looks like it never showed any faces, just "11 private registrations"
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GWG I'm thinking, with all these conferences going remote...maybe we should try for IWC Online 2
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[tantek] Wow, [manton] good thing we squeezed in IWC Austin before SXSW! Austin declares state of emergency and cancels SXSW. Thread: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/1236048325628948482
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@waxpancake BREAKING: The City of Austin declares state of emergency. SXSW 2020 is canceled. (twitter.com/_/status/1236048325628948482)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/117
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gRegorLove whoa
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/118
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[tantek] ok let's see if it breaks 2019 Belrin2
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by martymcguire: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/117
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by martymcguire: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/118
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[tantek] alrighty that worked!
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[tantek] oh yeah and Berlin2 had the explicit Organizers section that we should add to our 2020 events
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/24
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/25
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-03-06.html https://t.co/Lf0eBex3sU (twitter.com/_/status/1236067801019764741)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @ChrisAldrich @bmann @crtr0 I've had a "add micropub to noterlive" issue for a while now - maybe that can be my indiewebcamp London project (twitter.com/_/status/1236068127265509379)
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