#meta 2020-04-16

2020-04-16 UTC
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[tantek] Still having trouble getting setup with 1password etc :/
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aaronpk it's a bit of a project to get it going the first time
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[tantek] I need help setting up a zoom link for HWC West Coast
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[tantek] Laptop is currently rebooting
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aaronpk is about to go live a virtual conf sorry
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[tantek] In the hopes that will help the connection keep working
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aaronpk at a
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[tantek] Unlike last time
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[tantek] I need a way to archive all my twitter / tweet permalink tabs because twitter main website is such poor bloated engineering right now
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[tantek] DNS is failing again for some reason
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[tantek] For some reason, Slack couldn’t load
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[tantek] Because Slack on the web depends on too much bloated JS maybe?
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[tantek] Is NYC still going on?
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GWG No, it ended.
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[tantek] tried to re-use its zoom id to no avail
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GWG I think jmac ended the meeting
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GWG You'd need a new one.
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[tantek] maybe that's something we can keep around longer in the future
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jmac Yeah it was 6-8
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GWG Do you need to schedule one?
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[tantek] no we need to have one now
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GWG That's what I meant. Do you want me to set you up a room?
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GWG If so, https://zoom.us/j/96784882023?pwd=OFlxNUIvUEVOR3U2MEtsV25PcWcxUT09
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GWG Someone Put in a Meet instead, apparently
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[tantek] Thanks GWG! Will definitely ping you next time if/when this happens again 🙈
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[prtksxna] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (140 in all channels)
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[prtksxna] (for putting stuff up on archive.org) ☝
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GWG [prtksxna]: https://indieweb.org/2014/Cambridge/Schedule
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GWG Start watching?
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[prtksxna] GWG: Did you say you needed help transcribing it?
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GWG [prtksxna]: No. The etherpad was lost. So the notes.
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[prtksxna] GWG: Oh 😞
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GWG [prtksxna]: You've seen how the notes are dumped onto the wiki, right?
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[prtksxna] GWG: Like here - https://indieweb.org/2014/Cambridge/Introductions ?
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2014/Cambridge/installer - Take this page
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GWG It links to an etherpad that is gone.
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GWG Here's a 2018 properly noted
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/responses
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[prtksxna] Yeah, I saw that 😞
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GWG What we do now is we copy the etherpad into the wiki for archiving.
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GWG We didn't in 2014.
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GWG And the mozilla etherpad is gone.
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[prtksxna] Right, yeah
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GWG That's what we need. Someone to note the missing notes.
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GWG Not an urgent task
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GWG It's been missing for 6 years
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[prtksxna] nods
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Salt[m] wow, I definitely just read through all of the info about notes vs articles and am not sure how I feel about the idea that any content can be nameless/titleless... I understand that traditionally things like twitter posts/fb updates wouldn't, and that there is cognitive overhead to consider when naming "any" content, but that doesn't mean a title doesn't exist even if it is automagically generated.
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Salt[m] Re:https://indieweb.org/Semantics_Of_Article-Note_Distinction
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Salt[m] unsure if that's a -meta comment or...?
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Zegnat Salt[m]: -meta is mostly for stuff about the indieweb itself. Discussing distinction between notes and articles I would say goes well within #indieweb (alternatively #indieweb-dev if it gets to talking about specific parsing implementations and so on)
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Salt[m] thanks Zegnat I'll copypasta
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[jgmac1106] Hey all saw difficulty people had with Zoom and 40 minute limits. I made a pro IndieWeb Google Meets account as a back up anyone can use
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[jgmac1106] Caveat will have my company url indieweb@reviewtalentfeedback.com but its free for all to use. DM for credentials
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[jgmac1106] Will turn off after global lockdown ends, does cost me $10 a month
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-716) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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GWG I think I figured out my archive.org goal. https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360017502272-How-to-request-a-collection-
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GWG I also want to look into the metadata process. I added creation date, which wasn't on the original instructions aaronpk created because otherwise you can't sort Indiewebcamps by year. But I want to see if we can put in anything else that might be useful. Have to read the archive.org upload FAQs, I guess.
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GWG I can always go back and edit
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[jgmac1106] Gwg you can just use mf2 in the description boxes... Though doesn't help with archive.org metadata
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I want their search to allow for showing all the video from a single event
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GWG Found the location field.
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GWG Coverage: The extent or scope of the content of the resource (geographic place, temporal period, jurisdiction). For example, the place the work took place.
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] ++ thank you for making the g suite account and offering it!
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[tantek] I need someone to review for accuracy and commit this for updating IndieWebify to give modern recommendations for use of p-name in h-entry! https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/pull/88
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Loqi [tantek] #88 empty p-name for notes
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GWG Takes an extra upload step, but look at https://archive.org/details/introsindiewebcampdusseldorf2016
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GWG https://archive.org/search.php?query=coverage%3A%22D%C3%BCsseldorf%22%20date%3A2016-05-07
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GWG Or https://archive.org/search.php?query=coverage%3A%22D%C3%BCsseldorf%22%20subject%3Aindiewebcamp
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+67) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */" (view diff)
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aaronpk Is that worth the extra step? It seems like the schedule grid on the wiki is an easier way to find the recordings
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aaronpk [tantek]: why explicit empty p-name? I haven't seen that before
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GWG aaronpk: I think it is worth the extra step. But I'll note it on the page as optional.
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GWG The date is definitely worth it
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david.shanske.com edited /remote_participation (+13) "/* Archiving */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:iwc-archive-org-video.png]]"" (view diff)
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GWG The layout of the upload screen changed since the screenshot
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GWG But re metadata on archive.org, I assume we want people to find it in ways other than just through us
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aaronpk If we did, we'd upload them to YouTube
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GWG aaronpk: Good point.
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GWG In the end, when I'm uploading, I'm willing to do the extra step. Not asking anyone else to do it.
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+65) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+107) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */" (view diff)
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GWG Just realized this file was mislabeled.
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GWG Going to have to fix it
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GWG May have to go back and split the files into individual sessions. Some weren't labelled as multi-session.
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[tantek] aaronpk, explicit p-name as a teaching point, which is what IndieWebify.me is kind of for, teaching
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[tantek] also at this point, not all libraries have been updated to not imply the big long p-name values
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[tantek] parsing* libraries
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[tantek] I'd be ok with dropping explicit empty p-name once we have across the board parser support for that fix
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+88) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */" (view diff)
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GWG Okay, IWC DUS 2016 done.
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GWG Including the split fix
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aaronpk i thought all the parsers were updated?
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[Aaron_Klemm] As I try to install a full suite of IndieWeb tools and Fediverse software, I want to try to preserve the experience: because it's hard to remember it once one is in and comfortable: I have no idea how to setup the namespaces (I screwed up my Mastodon naming right out of the gate), whether the various tools are going to pan out for my goals, etc. It's hard to envision what the final product will look...what am I aiming for exactly? Do I
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[Aaron_Klemm] want one of the tools running my domain homepage, or should that be custom as there are so many disparate things to implement? Entry is hard.
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[Aaron_Klemm] I'll make sure to run through this and see how I feel at that point. https://indiewebify.me/
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[tantek] Great questions [Aaron_Klemm]! I'm going to emphasize/follow-up in #indieweb as this is absolutely core on topic stuff (the meta channel is more for things "about" the IndieWeb community itself rather than our own personal sites)
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[Aaron_Klemm] Haha, someday I'll get that right. 😜
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[tantek] It's all good. We all need gentle nudging from time to time 🙂
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[fluffy] I was gonna mention the spam in #indieweb but looks like it’s in this channel too
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aaronpk i just had a thought... i suspect having all these discord/matrix lurkers in the room is bringing up the user count of these channels which make them a target for spam
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aaronpk i wish the matrix bridge was a little less aggressive about keeping nicks in these channels... some of these have never said anything, or haven't actually been active in years
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GWG Anything we can do? Like Slack where only recently active people are bridged?
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aaronpk could find the matrix bridge source and file an issue there
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aaronpk i have no idea where that is or who runs it
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Zegnat I believe it is literally matrix.org running it
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Zegnat It is a freenode wide bridge, IIRC
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Zegnat Not sure about the Discord one. I do not even know how to join it.
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Zegnat aaronpk: you seem to be on the Discord one, where does one find it? :P
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aaronpk the discord one is a discord-matrix bridge
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aaronpk i think it's the ipfs discord?
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aaronpk apparently the discord bridge hasn't been working for a while tho
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aaronpk no messages in there since feb
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Zegnat Tried to find it, but ipfs.io seems to only mention IRC. Found https://www.reddit.com/r/ipfs/comments/be4f8k/ipfs_discord_irc_and_matrix_communities_are_now/ through searching, but that Discord invite link told me it was no longer valid
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Zegnat So I am not sure it is even still possible to join?
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Zegnat Newer post on their end (https://www.reddit.com/r/ipfs/comments/d04wzp/psssst_join_our_community_on_discord_matrix_and/) has permaweb.io links. Ironically that entire domain seems to be unreachable
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aaronpk wat
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Zegnat At least from where I am standing. Let me know if you have better luck.
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aaronpk can't reach it either
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Zegnat Permaweb.io admin is still active on https://mastodon.permaweb.io/@swedneck, but that is where the whole thing runs cold for me.
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Zegnat Actually, they are in this channel? Ping swedneck[GMT1]Di swedneck[m]1 any idea about the Discord bridge?
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aaronpk i think it's not working, there were no recent messages in discord from here
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sknebel the matrix bridge can't log out quiet users
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sknebel at least not by default
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sknebel from what I remember from looking into bridge details, IRC networks including Freenode do not like bridges that hide users on the other side without clear notice in the channel (since it's a form of logging)
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk i suppose it's fine here since we say the channel is logged in the topic already
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