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www.altsalt.net
edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+2866) "suggested agenda for online meetings"
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www.altsalt.net
edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+143) "/* Suggested Agenda  一 Salt ♨️🚲🧂🧙‍♂️🐧🎓⚔️☠️ (talk) 18:00, 20 April 2020 (PDT) */"
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loqi.me
created /Angular (+179) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]"
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loqi.me
edited /Angular (+184) "[tantek] added "Criticism: 2020-03-16 [https://medium.com/@jeffbcross/jeffs-letter-to-the-angular-team-and-community-5367934a16c9 Jeff’s Letter to the Angular Team and Community]" to "See Also""
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aaronpk
Ok I'm starting to think we need to track down the matrix bridge folks and ask them to clean up the list of users because there are far too many matrix lurkers who are probably not even looking at the channel
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aaronpk
we're getting too much "this is the biggest web channel" stuff now
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[jgmac1106]
another question, smarter not to publish etherpad links until last minute, it would be the nerdiest of zoombombing but maybe a good precaution?
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[jgmac1106]
https://wiki.goifnetwork.org/2020-05-02_OER_Ghana_Meet_up figure I won't add pads until day of, overly cautious, but a lot of bored people
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sknebel
aaronpk: guess the discord bridge is the main problem - it seems to bridge everyone on that discord in?
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aaronpk
Oh is that what's going on??
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aaronpk
that makes sense
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sknebel
matrix bridge only bridges users that are in the equivalent matrix room
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sknebel
and I guess discord bridge either considers everyone to be in the room, or everyone who ever clicked on it, or something
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aaronpk
I don't think discord has the concept of choosing which channels to be in
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[prtksxna]
Kind of, not everyone has access to all channels. But the ones that are open are always visible
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aaronpk
that's all controlled by the server owner though right?
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aaronpk
like if i have access to a channel then I'm forced to be in it
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[prtksxna]
I think you’re right, yep. The channels you can see is based on your /role/. And some roles you can pick, and others are given to you by mods or admins
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aaronpk
ShokuninDiscord[: shokunin3675[m]: ping are you there?
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aaronpk
or swedneck[m]1 swedneck[GMT1]Di too since it looks like you're both the ones who set up the discord bridge?
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Loqi
[shokunin[m]3] If you recall, we setup a bridge between the Matrix chat and our IPFS & Protocol Labs Discord, which you can find on http://permaweb.io/discord
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aaronpk
permaweb.io is down too
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[schmarty]
that is... ironic
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Loqi
cweiske has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels)
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aaronpk
okay so the only two people who have said anything from the discord bridge are Shokunin and beko
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aaronpk
and i've seen beko around via not-discord
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aaronpk
so i'm tempted to just kick all the discord users to get our numbers down, especially since we can't even tell people to join via discord right now anyway
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jacky
wishes we could just block/ban discord altogether :(
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jacky
only b/c of this ACL nightmare
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aaronpk
we probably can, they are identified with "discord" in the username
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jacky
just gotta hope no one uses that in their nick
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jacky
that isn't from discord
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jacky
is there something in their agent that could help?
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aaronpk
chat search didn't turn anything up
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aaronpk
username != nick
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jacky
oh I meant like the IRC host name thing
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jacky
like I'm unaffliated/webjadmin
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aaronpk
yeah the IRC username
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jacky
for some of the discord -> matrix ones I'm seeing `gateway/shell/matrix.org`
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+36) "/* Structure */ rename header"
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jacky
like `disco$DDDD@gateway/shell/matrix/x-$SHA`
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aaronpk
the usernames are like "@_discord_216100392407269376:permaweb.io"
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jacky
holy crap man
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jacky
this channel is like PACKED with them lol
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jacky
like I knew it was bad
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aaronpk
yeah it's bad
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jacky
but so much scrolling
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GWG
[schmarty]: Chat?
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Zegnat
What I do not get is how some normal [m] without Discord in their name also have _discord_ in their host
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Zegnat
Or in their Realname, sorry
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aaronpk
i think there is a way to change your nick
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Zegnat
So they someone managed to change their nick, within the bridge? Guess that could be possible. And then the [m] gets forced by Matrix or something?
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aaronpk
you can get matrix to drop the [m] too
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aaronpk
hm there are two discord bridges
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aaronpk
one at permaweb.io and one at getepona.com
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Zegnat
The plot thickens
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Zegnat
getepona.com did not give me any whois matches :/
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aaronpk
ugh github is struggling too
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Zegnat
Bitbucket also had issues today, saw a banner informing me of that at work.
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Zegnat
Seems to be one of those days …
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Zegnat
Hmm, whenever the same nick is bridged twice, the one lacking the Discord-suffix is the getepona.com one. So maybe the bridge only adds the suffix when the name is already taken, and in this case those that connected through the getepona.com bridge got in first?
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[schmarty]
!tell GWG chaaaaat?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
let's see if this works
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GWG
[schmarty]: RE HWC East Coast online and a frequency increase during the inside times
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aaronparecki.com
edited /IRC (+641) "/* Advanced / Admin notes */"
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[schmarty]
GWG: we should bring jmac into that chat as well!
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[schmarty]
i encourage us to have 2 organizers per meeting in case things change for one.
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[schmarty]
i can't guarantee my availability on a weekly basis, for example.
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aaronpk
sorry for all the join noise lol
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jmac
Yeah, I would not be able to commit to a weekly scheduled meeting
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GWG
[schmarty], jmac: Like the West Coast, I like the idea of rotating hosts
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aaronpk
here we go
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GWG
So, each week, someone else takes the hosting duties.
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GWG
[schmarty], jmac, how would you feel about me scheduling some and taking responsibility?
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[KevinMarks]
The first HWCs we did link up SF and Portland rooms
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GWG
[KevinMarks]: We have a weekly West Coast meeting.
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jmac
I can commit to the "official" "branded" NYC monthly meetups but I certainly have no reason to object to other folks holding more meetups
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GWG
jmac: My proposal is an East Coast meeting that doesn't align with the official ones.
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GWG
The next official one is May 20th. So, I was thinking of April 29th I might do an East Coast.
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GWG
The earlier time last time got us some Europeans who can't stay up for West Coast
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jmac
My official stance is that I wish to be removed from this decision loop. :)
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jmac
Go for it
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jmac
I mean, more the merrier and all
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GWG
Okay. I'm branding as East Coast
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jmac
👍
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GWG
I wonder how chrisaldrich wil do with his popup IndieWebCamp session
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GWG
Anyone interested in more of those?
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aaronpk
gonna take a while
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[schmarty]
GWG++ looks awesome !!
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Loqi
GWG has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (141 in all channels)
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[schmarty]
aaronpk++ hugops for the channel cleanups
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Loqi
aaronpk has 61 karma in this channel over the last year (213 in all channels)
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GWG
This is weird
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GWG
Something is going on
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aaronpk
lol sorry
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aaronpk
wow that's so many
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aaronpk
under 100
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aaronpk
46 people left here
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aaronpk
that was over 500 from discord
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aaronpk
so yeah, that was not a good bridge
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GWG
They are gone now
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aaronpk
now time for the other channels
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aaronpk_
748 in #indieweb 647 in #indieweb-dev right now
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kaja.sknebel.net
edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+182) "update from events.indieweb.org"
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[aaronpk]
channel names are translated by the bridge now!
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aaronpk
so if I say #indieweb-meta in IRC, it'll show up as #meta in slack
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[aaronpk]
hyperlinked in slack and everything!
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[aaronpk]
hello from slack #indieweb-meta what if i want to actually say `#meta`
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Zegnat
Are you getting mentions now too, [aaronpk]? Or is that still somewhat broken?
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aaronpk
i fixed that a bit ago
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Zegnat
Ah, missed that then, didn’t see any bridge work done over the weekend and mentions were very much broken when I tested on … Friday it was I think
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Zegnat
aaronpk++ awesome work!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 62 karma in this channel over the last year (215 in all channels)
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aaronpk
oh there haven't been any changes since then hmm
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Loqi
[Zegnat] Hi [Zegnat], can I mention you @Zegnat? (Just testing Slack bridge)
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aaronpk
i don't see it
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aaronpk
hi [aaronpk]
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aaronpk
gonna blame the gremlins
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aaronpk_
down to 97 in #indieweb-dev now, down from 647
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[aaronpk]
omg there are 537 in #indieweb-dev in slack
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aaronpk
did not realize our slack had gotten so big
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Zegnat
Huh, yeah, you were able to @-mention yourself when I look at Slack too. Can I now say hi to [Zegnat] as well?
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aaronpk
the bridge just restarted so your slack name isn't in the cache yet
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[Zegnat]
Apparently not. But what if I activate the bridge.
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aaronpk
now it should work
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aaronpk
hi [Zegnat]
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aaronpk
hi [zegnat]
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Zegnat
Hi [Zegnat] welcome!
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aaronpk
is suspicious of the uppercase letter
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Zegnat
Can I mention [aaronpk]?
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Zegnat
Would be really funny if it is the uppercase
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Zegnat
But surely that would apply to others then … can I mention [LewisCowles] ? (Sorry for the ping!)
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Zegnat
Yeah, no, that one fails too
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aaronpk
it should be matching `a-zA-Z0-9_-`
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aaronpk
i see it
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[Zegnat]
Trying to change to lowercase name... not sure slack will let me
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aaronpk
don't bother, i'm abou to fix it
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Zegnat
OH, Slack let me, but the bridge did not, hehe
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aaronpk
yeah the bridge won't until it rejoins
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Zegnat
Cool, changing back to capitalised name then :D
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aaronpk
here we go
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aaronpk
ok try saying something in slack now
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[Zegnat]
Something!
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Zegnat
Hello [Zegnat]
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Zegnat
It works :D
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aaronpk
[Zegnat]++
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Loqi
[Zegnat] has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (61 in all channels)
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Loqi
😄
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Zegnat
Then I guess this will also solve [LewisCowles] constantly seeing those brackets around his name
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aaronpk
yes! that explains it
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Zegnat
What was the issue? Another pattern match down the line?
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Zegnat
aaronpk++ for being on the roll with chat
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aaronpk
it was storing them in the cache not lowercased
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aaronpk
but checking for the lowercased vesrion
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Zegnat
Classic
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[aaronpk]
heh because there's an [aaronpk] in slack, it'll get translated to the bracket version on the IRC side
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aaronpk
woohoo, 197 left in #indieweb!
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aaronpk
down from 748
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aaronpk
ok i suspect this is going to help things quite a bit
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aaronpk
i'm guessing we're going to see a lot less spam, and a lot fewer people asking generic non-indieweb questions about wordpress or web development
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sknebel
lol, mass-kick is also a way of solving the problem
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aaronpk
i think i got them all
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sknebel
would've tried looking into disabling the bridge matrix side first, but shrug
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sknebel
although it might add new users again?
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aaronpk
we've tried pinging the folks who set up the discord bridge over the past week a few times and haven't heard from them
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aaronpk
i have no idea who runs or maintains the matrix bridge itself
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aaronpk
i added a ban to block the discord bridge from joining again
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aaronpk
and the permaweb website which hosts the discord invite is offline, which isn't promising either
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jacky
aaronpk++ for being a IRC warden
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Loqi
aaronpk has 63 karma in this channel over the last year (216 in all channels)
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aaronpk
so if shokunin or swedneck come around again and want to set up the discord bridge again, that's fine, as long as there's a way to make it join users only if they actually say something
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aaronpk
i heard there is a setting in the matrix bridge to make that happen, but i have no idea how to set it or whether that's a global bridge setting or per channel
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sknebel
I need to look into the authorization side - I think IRC can get ops on the matrix-side of the bridge to
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[jgmac1106]
thinking about quiet writing hours and other narratives: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1EBDMo not making judgment, just thinking on it
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] Listening to @SR_Toliver describe how the "writers workshop" weren't the quiet stereotypes make me wonder about "quiet working hour" I see in so many different meet yups reinforces dominant culture. #SpeculativeEd
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Zegnat
quiet working hour in the EU vHWC was hardly ever upheld from how I remember. Sure if people happened to come in while already working on a thing, there was less talking. But when people came in to socialise, it was just as quickly thrown aside.
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gRegorLove
That's been my experience with west cost vHWC too
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[jgmac1106]
granted writers workshops are different...but it was a great talk in hearing how the idea "of quiet" writers differentiated from community perspectives of collaborative writing...but ageee vHWC was always more hang it was fun
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Salt[m]
that's why I moved the quiet working hour to the end
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Salt[m]
I was considering stretching things a bit too, like 6-7:30 is social, 7:30-8:30 is working time
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Salt[m]
but this is why all of the times are squiggly, my hope is that it will solidify tomorrow night
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[tantek]
That way it’s up to organizer to “start” discussions when there’s a critical mass
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[tantek]
I found 6-8pm (2hrs) too long when I was organizing / hosting
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[tantek]
We put the quiet time first because people show up in a staggered way
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[tantek]
Hence why I changed West Coast to 6-7:30pm for the past two weeks
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