#meta 2020-07-10

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tantek.com restored /2016/Introduction "redirects are cheap, likely a link from elsewhere"
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tantek.com restored /User:JJuran/ "redirects are cheap, pre-indieauth user"
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tantek.com restored /DNS_registrar "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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tantek.com restored /domain_name_registrars "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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tantek.com restored /domain_names "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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tantek.com restored /domain_registration "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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gregorlove.com edited /Google_Play_Music (+309) "will shut down in favor of YouTube Music" (view diff)
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jjuran Hi, what does "redirects are cheap" refer to?
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[tantek] it's not like it costs anything to have them exist
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[tantek] so there's no reason to be all deletionist about them
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[tantek] in the 10 years of history of the indieweb wiki we've had exactly 1 deletionist burst, let it sit for a while, realized it was not a larger pattern, so undid most of them
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gregorlove.com created /YouTube_Music (+182) "dfn" (view diff)
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vika_nezrimaya By the way! Do we have an article on TikTok on the wiki?
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vika_nezrimaya I seriously hope I am logged in right now, because if I am not logged in, I'll have to somehow reimage the whole server (it's a long story, I could tell it in #chat as long as I can find an IRC client on my machine)
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vika_nezrimaya what is TikTok
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Loqi TikTok is a video sharing app similar to Vine, where users create and share short videos, often set to music https://indieweb.org/TikTok
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vika_nezrimaya yay, we do have an article
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jacky We don't have a lot of info
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jacky everything about TikTok from what I know is trapped in its editor app
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Ruxton what's to know? it's just another short-form video sharng app, the smart move they did was license music for use in the app
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jacky they already (kinda) had the licenses
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jacky the editor is the magic tbh
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jacky they annex and collect a crap ton of info about the content being produced and the users on the platform and use that to match people
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Ruxton they're also owned by a chinese mult-national. consequently, they removed Hong Kong from service in the last day or so
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jacky right but despite that being important in terms of how user info is collected, that doesn't mention or highlight how the UX is built for people
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jacky Like to do a IndieWeb-version of it would be analyzing the UX and replicating it in our space without the harm
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Ruxton yep
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Ruxton so what's so magic about the video editor? I dont see anythng amazing that hasn't been done by another app?
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jacky its time warping, music synchornization to events, etc
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jacky there isn't any other mobile editor that does it that well IIRC
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Ruxton there are but they're not "social media apps" they're video editors
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jacky (the indieweb term - I guess - would be a specialized Micropub client)
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jacky but yeah
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calumryan.com edited /User:Calumryan.com (+68) "/* Setup */" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /User:Calumryan.com (-231) "/* Calum Ryan */" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /User:Calumryan.com (-2) "/* Skills */" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /User:Calumryan.com (+4) (view diff)
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loqi.me created /sea-lioning (+181) "prompted by vika_nezrimaya and dfn added by [KevinMarks]" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /100_days (+258) "/* 100 days projects */ add jgmac1106 example" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] pronouns << https://the-toast.net/2014/06/02/a-linguist-gendered-pronouns/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://the-toast.net/2014/06/02/a-linguist-gendered-pronouns/" to the "See Also" section of /pronoun https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=71322&oldid=66964
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lahacker.net edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+163) "/* Dates */" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /algoline (+33) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /sea-lioning (-157) "redirect. no there is no hyphen because sealion is the noun that was verbed, and yes we already had a page for it" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] Oops
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aaronpk i'm pretty pleased with the timezone conversion summary i just added on https://events.indieweb.org
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aaronpk hover over one of the times in a timezone that is not your own
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[schmarty] Oh yeah! I used that this week to figure out when HWC London was gonna be for me!
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ meets me++
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[schmarty] Gahhh autocorrect
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Loqi me has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi aaronpk has 64 karma in this channel over the last year (231 in all channels)
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[schmarty] meetable++
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Loqi meetable has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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Zegnat Oooh, that is fancy aaronpk!
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Zegnat looks for a switch to turn am/pm into 24-hours-time
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Zegnat ;)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk [schmarty]: are you a time traveler? I just launched that 30 minutes ago!
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Zegnat As a central European I can never keep am and pm straight. Though in this case the fact there is a timezone shift makes it clear to me
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aaronpk hm is that preference available in javascript somehow?
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aaronpk probably `toLocaleDateString` somehow
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Zegnat Yeah, Intl does encode a hour12 preference for locales. Not sure how to use that. Hmmm.
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Zegnat https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Date/toLocaleTimeString - this gives me time without am/pm
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aaronpk Zegnat: refresh, you should see local non am/pm times in the tooltip now :)
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@jsonbecker In the IndieWeb world, you often sacrifice the wide distribution of social media. I feel like this is discussed a lot. I don’t see a lot of discussion of the loss of good creative tools. Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok all make it easy to create fun content to share. (twitter.com/_/status/1281651129932079105)
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[schmarty] aaronpk: oh! i guess i saw something you had previously? maybe that linked out to a timezone comparison tool?
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aaronpk ah yeah that has been there for a while
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Zegnat Works great on my end aaronpk! Much appreciated :D
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aaronpk 🎉
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@aaronpk ↩️ I'm not sure what you mean, https://indieweb.org/POSSE is a pretty central part of a lot of people's setups as a way to stay connected to the wider social media world. There are plenty of tools (Adobe, Apple Clips, etc) for creating media outside of social apps. (twitter.com/_/status/1281652816067485696)
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GWG aaronpk++ for timezone code in Meetable
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Loqi aaronpk has 65 karma in this channel over the last year (232 in all channels)
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[tantek] aaronpk++ replied before I could vent 🙂
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Loqi aaronpk has 66 karma in this channel over the last year (233 in all channels)
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[tantek] "often sacrifice the wide distribution of social media" is such a common misconception and literally the opposite of what we advocate RIGHT THERE ON THE HOME PAGE MULTIPLE TIMES
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@lightcoin ↩️ I don't have a specific answer but this might be a useful rabbit hole to go down: https://indieweb.org/WordPress #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1281671393575305216)
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[tantek] paging GWG ^^^
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[tantek] lightcoin++
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Loqi lightcoin has 1 karma over the last year
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+172) "implemented "hosted "" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /spoiler (-29) "r" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ We have this in #indieweb 1. Verify domain url and bidirectional rel=me links 2. Links from domain url to email to send token (or webfist to reverse) 3. Use webmentions instead 4. This is harder, but once you can verify domain ownership you can limit by it. (twitter.com/_/status/1281710717960413185)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-10.html (twitter.com/_/status/1281713565997518849)
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aaronpk uhoh
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aaronpk i broke it
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-10.html (twitter.com/_/status/1281715329761067008)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ It's harder, but it's not impossible. We have implementations that solve it using existing building blocks, but need a verification stage to show the post. https://indieweb.org/private_posts (twitter.com/_/status/1281715078149046278)
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[tantek] uh was that mobile screenshot supposed to go out as a photo of an event?
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aaronpk hm it was part of this post https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/07/chvxl/
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aaronpk we have so many events i think i need to update how it decides which photos to include
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[tantek] darn it crowded out the Karlsruhe photo from the tweet 😕
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aaronpk i'm thinking it should do a round robin selection
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aaronpk first photo from each event, if there are still photos left, start looping through again
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Loqi [Jamie Tanna] At tonight's #HomebrewWebsiteClub, I managed to implement listing all my site's posts, using Micropub Query for All Posts - which is consumable with Indigenous for Android https://media.jvt.me/5a9abbb797.png
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[tantek] seems reasonable
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[tantek] however it ought to still cluster them with each event
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aaronpk heh right
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[tantek] if it collects more than one photo from an event
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[tantek] instead of the order collected 🙂
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aaronpk that's some tricky math :0
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[tantek] datastructures++
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Loqi datastructures has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] algorithms++
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Loqi algorithms has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] oooh did you trim the edited wiki pages to 3+ edits only?
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[tantek] or just the 10 most edited pages?
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aaronpk i did some things, i don't remember what 😂
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aaronpk i feel like we need a separate page that talks about video hosting in general, not just video posts
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aaronpk what is video?
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Loqi video is a type of post where the primary content is a video file (recorded movie, animation etc.) typically with audio, and has growing support on the indie web https://indieweb.org/video
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aaronpk that's all about video /posts
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aaronpk which are typically short videos like you see on twitter or instagram
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