#meta 2020-08-14

2020-08-14 UTC
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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ignite.digitalignition.net edited /backblaze_b2 (+117) "/* Indieweb */" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /comment_permalink (+210) "[KevinMarks] added "https://twitter.com/brea_manuel3/status/1294021032152641538?s=20" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[argovaerts] Pinterest << https://medium.com/@francoise_93266/the-pinterest-paradox-cupcakes-and-toxicity-57ed6bd76960
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/@francoise_93266/the-pinterest-paradox-cupcakes-and-toxicity-57ed6bd76960" to the "See Also" section of /Pinterest https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72045&oldid=56873
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rusingh.com edited /reply (+661) "Add an example markup for a reply with context /* How To */" (view diff)
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@iamhirusi This works. But is the architecture behind this correct? I used the e-content property while publishing, not h-cite > e-content. If it were correct, I wouldn't be staring at my screen when I came around to implementing reply with context/cite. #indieweb #micropub (twitter.com/_/status/1294271708614897671)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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boffosocko.com created /is_energy_conservation (+29) "prompted by [chrisaldrich]" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] what is related posts?
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Loqi Related Reading or related posts or related content is a discovery feature of some blogging silos (like Medium, Wordpress.com) where at the end of a blog post, the system suggests another deemed-likely-interesting-to-you given your assumed interest in the topic that you just read about https://indieweb.org/related_posts
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boffosocko.com created /energy_conservation (+29) "redirect" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com deleted /is_energy_conservation "somehow Loqi put a verb into the page title.... content was: "#redirect:[[green_computing]]", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Boffosocko.com|Boffosocko.com]]" ([[User talk:Boffosocko.com|talk]])"
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[chrisaldrich] what is further reading?
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Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/further_reading
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[chrisaldrich] related reading << Example page with both a [[related reading]] and [[further reading]] section: https://visitmy.website/2020/07/13/this-website-is-killing-the-planet/
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Loqi ok, I added "Example page with both a [[related reading]] and [[further reading]] section: https://visitmy.website/2020/07/13/this-website-is-killing-the-planet/" to the "See Also" section of /related_reading https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72052&oldid=72039
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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boffosocko.com edited /resumé (+296) "silo examples; see also link to portfolio" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] added the photo of HWC west... four smiling faces for the next generation of the newsletter coming up...
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I smiled? Good
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[chrisaldrich] 🙂
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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[tantek] huh looks like Loqi has a page search bug
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[tantek] what is a permalink?
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Loqi A permalink is a URL which typically represents and retrieves a single post (also explicitly called a post permalink) https://indieweb.org/permalink
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[tantek] that works
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[tantek] permalink << does this go to permalink or comment permalink?
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Loqi ok, I added "does this go to permalink or comment permalink?" to a new "See Also" section of /permalink https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72055&oldid=21410
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loqi.me edited /permalink (+67) "[tantek] added "does this go to permalink or comment permalink?" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] Permalink << does this go to permalink or comment permalink?
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Loqi ok, I added "does this go to permalink or comment permalink?" to the "See Also" section of /comment_permalink https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72056&oldid=72044
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[tantek] hah! that's the bug. cc: aaronpk note the difference in the two uses of < < above and how Loqi handled them.
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aaronpk i blame mediawiki search
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[tantek] discovered via KevinMarks in chat using "Permalink < <"
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?search=Permalink&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
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[tantek] oh that's bad
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aaronpk since there is no page /Permalink, it uses search, which turns up /comment_permalink before /permalink for some reason
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[tantek] alright, workaround for now then
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tantek.com created /Permalink, (+23) "redirect because MediaWiki has a search bug where searching for Permalink gives [[comment permalink]] as the first result instead of [[permalink]] as it should" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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Loqi [New Event] tantek.com created "Aug 26, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" https://events.indieweb.org/talIosGEv6Kx
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 26, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/141/history/529/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 26, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/141/history/530/diff
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[tantek] Do people feel strongly about prefixing events with "ONLINE: "? Like are there actual IRL events in the UK and Europe these days (have things gotten that much better?)
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[tantek] Otherwise I'd like to drop the "ONLINE: " since the event descriptions / locations already have that info
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[tantek] *drop from the name of the events
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[tantek] opinions?
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tantek.com edited /comment_permalink (-213) "move see also from KevinMarks to [[permalink]]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permalink (+192) "move see also from KevinMarks to [[permalink]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk +1 to dropping
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aaronpk normalize online events 😂
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tantek.com edited /problems (-403) "abandoned page with only two edits, redirect to a framing from problems to [[use case]] to be more helpful. ht jacky for finding this old page" (view diff)
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[tantek] wow that was weird, I just edited the name of the event in Meetable, pressed return figuring that would save it, and not only did it not but it REMOVED the cover image!
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[tantek] yup reproduced
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aaronpk what weird
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[tantek] want an issue or is that an obv bug?
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aaronpk not obvious
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 19, 2020 5:30pm Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed name https://events.indieweb.org/event/125/history/531/diff
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aaronpk tho that diff looks right ..?
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[tantek] yeah those I clicked the save button
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aaronpk ah
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[tantek] I left one to repro
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 26, 2020 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed name, cover_image https://events.indieweb.org/event/136/history/532/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Sep 2, 2020 5:30pm Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed name https://events.indieweb.org/event/126/history/533/diff
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[fluffy] Hrmm, I submitted a bookmark to the “post open source” article from boringcactus to indienews, and on indienews it showed up with a blank title. Is there something wrong with my bookmark, or is this a failure on indienews to derive the title?
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[fluffy] https://news.indieweb.org/en/www.boringcactus.com/2020/08/13/post-open-source.html
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[fluffy] The original post has no mf2 on it but it has a meaningful <title> as well as opengraph tags
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sknebel I *think* indienews uses the title of *your* post
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aaronpk correct
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[fluffy] My post has a title though
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sknebel not in mf2 markup
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[fluffy] muh? it should
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aaronpk i don't see it
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[fluffy] hmm
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sknebel <a href="/blog/chatter/2828-Post-Open-Source" class="u-url">Post-Open Source</a>
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[fluffy] oh, right
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[fluffy] this is because of a fix I put in for rsvp posts 😛
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[fluffy] Because of how one of the indieweb things was using a p-name to consider an RSVP post as a reply instead of an RSVP.
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sknebel wat
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[fluffy] It was a workaround for this page: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/indiewebcamp-west-eat-your-own-cooking-pre-party-DH5F8SRjSHff because when I was sending a p-name along with my RSVP response that page saw it as a reply instead of an RSVP.
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[fluffy] Anyway I changed the workaround to be only for RSVPs instead of all note types, and sent a new webmention, but the indienews post hasn’t been updated.
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[fluffy] hm, pin13.net isn’t seeing the change either. Maybe a caching issue on my end, ugh
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sknebel cache? not seeing it
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sknebel jinx
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[fluffy] when I load the page and view page source I’m seeing the p-name though?
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sknebel one sec, let me clear browser cache...
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aaronpk i'm still not seeing it
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[fluffy] well, I just reset my cache and pin13 is showing it
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aaronpk ah there it goes
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[fluffy] and now the indienews post is fixed, phew
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+150) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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@Cambridgeport90 I may be an #IndieWeb coommunity member, but there are unfortunately still places for centralized services. (twitter.com/_/status/1294340704299175937)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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GWG No Pop Up tomor
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GWG tomorrow
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GWG Oh well
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[tantek] GWG, it's good to take breaks. every week is a bit hard on folks
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[tantek] especially the weekend
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GWG [tantek]: I agree
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GWG Maybe I'll update my itch list instead
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GWG I need to feel productive right now
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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@mlpSmeltzer ↩️ Are these the standards you mention? https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb? (twitter.com/_/status/1294355874773962752)
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@ScottMadin who do I know on here who's into indieweb stuff, just @JmacDotOrg? (twitter.com/_/status/1294355689436053506)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ Indeed. a lot of them. Would be cool if DNN had a IndieWeb module that could plug into different parts of the cMS, like most of them do. (twitter.com/_/status/1294368470071558144)
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www.rich-text.net edited /User:Www.rich-text.net (+133) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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tantek.com edited /problem (+31) "see also problems" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 12, 2020 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed name, cover_image https://events.indieweb.org/event/132/history/534/diff
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[tantek] oops there's the example, didn't mean to save it without the cover image 😞
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[tantek] https://events.indieweb.org/event/132
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[tantek] newsletter is looking good.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-08-14.html (twitter.com/_/status/1294397148411265024)