#meta 2020-12-09

2020-12-09 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] giving-credit << https://www.contentharmony.com/tools/curators-code-plugin/ WordPress plugin for adding Curator's Code credit to a site (no longer supported in the WordPress repository)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.contentharmony.com/tools/curators-code-plugin/ WordPress plugin for adding Curator's Code credit to a site (no longer supported in the WordPress repository)" to the "See Also" section of /giving-credit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73911&oldid=73741
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[chrisaldrich] giving-credit << [https://boffosocko.com/2020/12/08/browser-bookmarklets-for-giving-credit/ Browser Bookmarklets for Giving Credit]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://boffosocko.com/2020/12/08/browser-bookmarklets-for-giving-credit/ Browser Bookmarklets for Giving Credit]" to the "See Also" section of /giving-credit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73913&oldid=73911
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boffosocko.com edited /2020-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+131) "Browser Bookmarklets for Giving Credit" (view diff)
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@JolivetRaphael <geek> J'étais frustré que Mastodon / ActivityPub/ Fédiverse ne supporte pas les noms de domaine perso & la philosophie Indie Web (https://indieweb.org/). J'ai développé un proxy pour le protocole WebFinger (responsable de la résolution des noms : (1/3) (twitter.com/_/status/1336623186033561601)
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@arpiel ↩️ Tristemente, es fenómeno generalizado. En tech por ejemplo, este charlatán consiguió recaudar más de 100.00 dólares y jamás terminó ni uno de sus varios ‘proyectos’. Peor aún, se las da de defensor de la privacidad de usuarios en la red: http://indieweb.org/ind.ie (twitter.com/_/status/1336668804483526656)
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Loqi [New Event] ohhelloana.blog created "Dec 16, 2020 7:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/vgHCu6yXFtV1
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+201) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] I'm not sure I'm completely following it in French, but it sounds like @JolivetRaphael may have an entry for the gift calendar today... It's not to the point that I could set it up, but sounds interesting for using your domain to point to a Mastodon instance.
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GWG I was pondering additional admin options
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[tantek] yes [chrisaldrich] this in particular: https://twitter.com/JolivetRaphael/status/1336623186566254593
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@JolivetRaphael aliasdomaine.tld) cf: https://github.com/raphaeljolivet/webfinger-proxy Je l'ai installé sur mon serveur perso et...ça marche (sans rien toucher à Mastodon) ! @Raph@mamot.fr pointe vers http://mamot.fr ... On peut faire pointer son domaine vers une instance mutualisée (2/3) (twitter.com/_/status/1336623186566254593)
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[tantek] ^ anyone here speak French and/or use Mastodon and want to try this out? Would like some in-community review/verification before we add it to the Gift Calendar
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[chrisaldrich] The github repository for it is in English which should help.
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[tantek] at a minimum we need someone here who does use Mastodon but has not yet hooked up fed.bridgy etc. to try this out and document their experience
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Loqi [New Event] notiz.blog created "Dec 9, 2020 6:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Karlsruhe" https://events.indieweb.org/zY091Z3OrV2Z
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Loqi [Event Updated] notiz.blog updated "Dec 9, 2020 6:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Karlsruhe" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/192/history/684/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] notiz.blog updated "Dec 9, 2020 6:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Karlsruhe" changed meeting_url https://events.indieweb.org/event/192/history/685/diff
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+190) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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www.jvt.me edited /consent_screen (+130) "/* Jamie Tanna */" (view diff)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ for Tuesday's Gift!
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@Pauho Just a reminder that we don't have to use the corporate web - options such as the #Fediverse and #Indieweb are available. Find me there at https://ift.tt/3pFmAyS and https://pauho.net (twitter.com/_/status/1336747573273616384)
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[chrisaldrich] tags << [https://amitp.blogspot.com/2020/12/tags-vs-labels.html Tags vs labels] by Amit Patel
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://amitp.blogspot.com/2020/12/tags-vs-labels.html Tags vs labels] by Amit Patel" to the "See Also" section of /tags https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73920&oldid=62304
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] hmm, not a fan of that article, feels like it's cherry picking uncited examples to try to make an artificial label/tags distinction, and then mentions hashtags vs IRC and completely misses the irony of their contrast (when hashtags were actually invented to be like IRC channels)
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aaronpk has never heard of "labels"
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[tantek] "They're tags, but using the `#` symbol. This is different from “channels” on IRC" <-- uh no, literally the first hashtag invented was #barcamp to try to use Twitter for discussion in addition to the #barcamp IRC Freenode channel
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[tantek] so no, not different from IRC, actually, INSPIRED by IRC lol
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[tantek] so I'm going to revert that
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tantek.com edited /tags (-88) "it's a pretty weak uninformed and actually wrong in places (hashtag vs IRC) article. Undo revision 73920 by [[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]] ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] also copying the jaiku channels mode
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[tantek] haha was waiting for [KevinMarks] to wake up
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[tantek] on this topic
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[tantek] I mean really they should address catgory vs channel vs hashtag vs label vs tag vs topic 😛
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[tantek] category*
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[KevinMarks] tags << compared to categories from a cognitive load perspective https://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/10/tags-and-cognitive-load.html
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[KevinMarks] there we go
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[chrisaldrich] That article did do some cherry picking of data, but in general I really like the idea of having something that distinguishes who or what may have put a tag on something. It's a problem on my site that I wish was something that was easier to solve. see: https://boffosocko.com/2020/12/09/55782258/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] I like the framing you’ve made in the definition of “label” and “tag”. I wish the distinction was respected by a broader range of people and programs as it could be more useful that way. I’ve mentioned a subtle way of doing this on my sit...
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[chrisaldrich] I was going to spelunk into epeus at lunch in a bit as I'm sure Kevin had some (or a lot) on it. I'll read his post in just a few. KevinMarks++
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] my problem with that attempt to distinguish "label" and "tag" is that in practice they are synonyms, so would be *extra* confusing to non-native speakers
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[tantek] that kind of subtle language difference trickery looks/feels clever but ends up being more confusing / exclusionary 😕
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[tantek] instead, use actual descriptive phrases that contain enough distinction to look up and remember how/why they're different
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[chrisaldrich] I don't remember which language it was, but I know in linguistics there is at least one language that puts verbal indicators on facts to indicate where one read, heard, saw (and potentially from whom). I want the web version of that.
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[tantek] for example
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[tantek] what is tagreply
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tagreply" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tagreply is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] tagreply is /tag-reply
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /tagreply (+22) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] But I'll take your point on the linguistic issues with synonyms
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[tantek] what is tagreply
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Loqi A tag reply is a special edit response to a post that tags that post with one or more tags, including possibly (or only) person-tags https://indieweb.org/tagreply
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[tantek] ^ there, no implicit linguistic insiderism
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[chrisaldrich] the subtlety of the ideas also makes it difficult to translate into other languages since tags/labels are generally considered synonyms
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[tantek] regarding "verbal indicators" if you mean word endings, like verb conjugations, you are correct, and it can be much more detailed than that too!
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[tantek] more in #indieweb-chat on that
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@kevinmarks If you want testimony on locking down APIs to prevent users getting their own data, #indieweb can help (twitter.com/_/status/1336758645816692736)
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@kevinmarks If Facebook hadn't blocked the Instagram API we could make you a client that looked how you wanted (I made one that looked like Pinterest before) - see https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Permissions_approval (twitter.com/_/status/1336788039184621568)
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