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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-04-30.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk how is it thursday again already
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GWG It's nearly Friday here.
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[chrisaldrich] Facebook << https://about.fb.com/news/2021/04/transfer-your-facebook-posts-and-notes-with-our-expanded-data-portability-tool/ details about their "Transfer Your Data" tool
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Loqi ok, I added "https://about.fb.com/news/2021/04/transfer-your-facebook-posts-and-notes-with-our-expanded-data-portability-tool/ details about their "Transfer Your Data" tool" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75470&oldid=75407
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[chrisaldrich] DoOO << History Part 1: http://umwdtlt.com/a-brief-history-of-domain-of-ones-own-part-1/ and Part 2: http://umwdtlt.com/a-brief-history-of-domain-of-ones-own-part-two-the-12-days-of-domains/
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Loqi ok, I added "History Part 1: http://umwdtlt.com/a-brief-history-of-domain-of-ones-own-part-1/ and Part 2: http://umwdtlt.com/a-brief-history-of-domain-of-ones-own-part-two-the-12-days-of-domains/" to the "See Also" section of /A_Domain_of_One%27s_Own https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75471&oldid=74287
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[kimberlyhirsh] Hey [jgmac1106] before I move it to the past examples, is your 100 Days of IndieWeb page linked at https://indieweb.org/100_days#100_Days_of_IndieWeb_2 still live somewhere and I just can't find it?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-04-30.html
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[chrisaldrich] time << Example of time-based schedule that uses example javascript to automatically change times based on users' timezones: https://www.michaelbransonsmith.net/blog/2021/04/29/this-is-temporal-experiment-number-one/
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Loqi ok, I added "Example of time-based schedule that uses example javascript to automatically change times based on users' timezones: https://www.michaelbransonsmith.net/blog/2021/04/29/this-is-temporal-experiment-number-one/" to the "See Also" section of /time https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75516&oldid=72304
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] what are your feelings on https://indieweb.org/scratch_your_own_itch#Cook_What_You_Want ? I'd also like to see explicit opinions from other active organizers too [Ana_Rodrigues] [calumryan] GWG maxwelljoslyn jamievtanna
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] you often have good insights about language / metaphors etc. as well, and the longer context of how we got here through use of various phrases over the years. Thoughts on ^?
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[tantek] Heya folks, it's also the last day of the month, so if anyone has any specific IndieWeb suggestions to forward onto the Redecentralize folks for their monthly newsletter feel free to ping me (or "just" post here 🙂 ) or feel free to email suggestions yourself directly to their hello @ redecentralize.org email address.
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[tantek] Here is their digest newsletter from last month if you're wondering what kind of things to suggest including (events, posts, new creations/projects etc.) https://redecentralize.org/redigest/2021/03
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[tantek] even major updates to things (e.g. IndieAuth spec [aaronpk] 🙂 ) are worth suggesting. Perhaps a sentence or two especially if you're able to link to a post or the spec/project/event itself for more
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aaronpk do we have a wiki page explaining why we disallow github subdomains for wiki login?
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aaronpk see main channel
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aaronpk also i know we have wiki pages that answer the other questions but i can't find them
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jjuran It seems to have devolved into an argument
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aaronpk it always does, which is why i was looking for docs
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[tantek] yeah we have that somewhere
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[tantek] tl;dr: the primary purpose of this community to help folks get their own online identity that they control and use, not to update the IndieWeb wiki. Therefore we prioritize that.
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[tantek] lol aaronpk I see where it went south 😂 (also first use of "just" in #indieweb for the day) https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-04-30/1619809373513700
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aaronpk darn it! i was trying so hard
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aaronpk at least i wasn't using "just" to imply easy
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[tantek] I think this is more something to take as a learning example to improve /welcoming
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Loqi [aaronpk] if you're running your own personal website with it then you can add yourself as an example here https://indieweb.org/projects or even just make a wiki page for yourself describing the tools you use to publish to your website, see: https://indieweb.o...
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[tantek] because in this case they felt like they were steered to something they couldn't "easily" do
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[tantek] so I can empathize with the frustration of being told to do something (that kinda skipped or glossed over the non-trivial work of setup for "running your own personal website")
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[kimberlyhirsh] Cook what you want reminds me a little if "Write the book you want to read." (Said by Austin Kleon but others too I'm sure.)
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[kimberlyhirsh] But I see in the brainstorming concerns about the gap between desire and technical ability.
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[tantek] ooh I like that too [kimberlyhirsh]! I feel I've heard that before / elsewhere as well. That's a good variant example to add.
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[tantek] I've also heard, start the podcast that you want to listen to
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[kimberlyhirsh] More generically, Create the thing you want to consume.
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[tantek] I like the abstraction from a broader understanding perspective, though then it loses the ease of relating (and positive emotional association) that a metaphor provides
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[tantek] which I feel is more important especially for new folks
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[KevinMarks] The "make your own tools" framing in that post I added was good too.
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[KevinMarks] scratch your own itch << “Write the story you want to say. Paint the painting you want to see. Sing the song you want to hear. Create you” https://www.ipaintiwrite.com/2013/05/17/you-cant-guess-what-your-audience-wants-write-to-please-please-yourself/
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Loqi ok, I added "“Write the story you want to say. Paint the painting you want to see. Sing the song you want to hear. Create you” https://www.ipaintiwrite.com/2013/05/17/you-cant-guess-what-your-audience-wants-write-to-please-please-yourself/" to the "See Also" section of /scratch_your_own_itch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75519&oldid=75466
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[tantek] Indeed [KevinMarks] those are good variants as well and help illustrate it to more folks in more ways that may resonate better
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[tantek] of all those variants, I think "Cook what you want" is perhaps the most universal / approachable, as everyone wants to eat, and everyone has at least financial (nevermind health etc.) incentives to try to cook/prepare at least some of their food
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[tantek] it hits more fundamentally in Maslow's hierarchy (i.e. compared to writing, painting, podcasting, toolmaking)
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[tantek] (obv even re: food there are real problems in terms of food deserts etc.)
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jacky yup
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-04-30.html
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jamietanna hmm do I try and quickly get an article out around social readers, ahead of the newsletter :thinking:
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[tantek] yes please!
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[tantek] remember you have til 14:49 Pacific to get it published e.g. ping IndieNews
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[tantek] since Loqi starts pulling content at 14:50 IIRC
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jamietanna[m] Hmm I'll see if I can
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jamietanna Looks like I'm a bit slow typing so may not make it in for this one, but it'll be ready for the next one :D
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[tantek] I relate to that jamietanna
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jamietanna[m] I also had my thoughts not as well developed as I thought, but my social reader / Microsub post should be good for tomorrow
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jacky always eager to hear thoughts about social readers :)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-04-30.html (twitter.com/_/status/1388255604142084097)
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@benwerd ↩️ @helenleigh Not volunteering, but I’m mad that I spun my own indieweb speech recognition virtual assistant (powered… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1388228799628603393 (twitter.com/_/status/1388228799628603393)
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[chrisaldrich] tantek++ for updates to the wiki
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[chrisaldrich] I thought that we'd already all generally abandoned the scratch your own itch business for the cooking metaphor?
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[chrisaldrich] Itching always makes me think of this NYer article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/30/the-itch
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[tantek] welp that link deserves some CW 😬
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[tantek] also good reason to move *away* from "scratch your own itch" 😞
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