#meta 2021-05-05

2021-05-05 UTC
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[tantek] welp, some of us kinda expected something like this was inevitable
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astralbijection[ Well, a broken clock is right twice a day
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aaronpk This isn't particularly novel, but what is interesting to me is the branding of it as a "platform"
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[tantek] you get a platform, and you get a platform, and you, and you!
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[tantek] this is nothing, wait til his site adopts Webmention 😬
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[tantek] as in "brace yourselves"
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[tantek] aaronpk, it's not that novel, like a blog was kind of like a literal "soap box" stand on and air your views. a blog is also kind of like a (speaking) platform that you stand on and air your views.
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[KevinMarks] Their idea of a platform is to gather emails and phone numbers so they can send "donate plz" messages to people
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aaronpk I just mean it's literally an out of the box campaign management platform yet it's being framed as something totally needs
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aaronpk new not needs wtf
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astralbijection[ If trump can do that, maybe I should brand my website as "a novel communications platform" on my resume
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[tantek] KevinMarks, you mean set them up for recurring credit card charges they didn't agree to
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[tw2113_Slack_] asking the hard questions https://twitter.com/tw2113/status/1389771622203068419
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@tw2113 @ouraring On the topic of ownership, I'm curious if there is any official stance on data ownership for the user. Does Oura allow exporting a user's data for their own personal storage and use? Can one take ownership of the information collected, in full? (twitter.com/_/status/1389771622203068419)
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[chrisaldrich] Nuzzel << [[Twitter]]'s [[acquihire]] of [https://scroll.blog/2021/05/04/scroll-is-joining-twitter/ Scroll] is causing a [[site-deaths|site-death]] for Nuzzel on May 6, 2021. https://blog.nuzzel.com/nuzzel-is-going-away-for-now/
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loqi.me edited /Nuzzel (+238) "[chrisaldrich] added "[[Twitter]]'s [[acquihire]] of [https://scroll.blog/2021/05/04/scroll-is-joining-twitter/ Scroll] is causing a [[site-deaths|site-death]] for Nuzzel on May 6, 2021. https://blog.nuzzel.com/nuzzel-is-going-away-for-now/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Twitter]]'s [[acquihire]] of [https://scroll.blog/2021/05/04/scroll-is-joining-twitter/ Scroll] is causing a [[site-deaths|site-death]] for Nuzzel on May 6, 2021. https://blog.nuzzel.com/nuzzel-is-going-away-for-now/" to a new "See Also" section of /Nuzzel https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75584&oldid=56375
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[chrisaldrich] What is a desk?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "desk" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "desk is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] Good to see that the Voldemort's web developer is dreadful at UI. Clicking the hearts on his desks (aka /notes) does nothing. (I almost expected it to go to his donations page to be honest.) Sharing to Twitter works, but truncates them horribly even though they're within the character limit.
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[chrisaldrich] He doesn't have a feed of any sort on the page. And the permalinks for the posts are wrapped on his name instead of on the date/timestamps as one might expect.
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[chrisaldrich] goes to #indieweb-chat
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@voxpelli ↩️ Can we add them to GitHub Stories as well then? And talk about them Clubhouse style? Joking aside: I love the open and simple approach of @indiewebcamp where one technically can interact with any entity and any interaction becomes an entity. (Making a UX for it is harder) (twitter.com/_/status/1389882260627857412)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ This fits with what we're doing at http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1389900563828117505)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Some notes on publics here https://indieweb.org/publics - obviously way more in social theory - @zephoria has been patiently explaining this for years (twitter.com/_/status/1389919996269277188)
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@lzsthw ↩️ Yesterday I also mentioned http://IndieWebify.me which helps you make your web apps a part of the Indie Web. What's the Indie Web? https://indieweb.org It's the basis for things like: Bridgy: https://brid.gy ActivityPub: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ And others. (twitter.com/_/status/1389942823051485185)
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[fluffy] Are there any plans to have an IndieWeb Summit this year? I still don’t see anything on events.indieweb.org
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aaronpk oh gosh it's already may isn't it
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aaronpk this year is just flying by
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[tw2113_Slack_] after watching some of the older videos, i really kind of wish there was an XOXO this year cause I’d be interested in attending
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[tantek] good question [fluffy]
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[tantek] tbh Oregon's new daily cases per 100k is still too high: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/United_States/Oregon_medical_cases_chart
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[tantek] hmm, this needs a chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Portland,_Oregon <--aaronpk get some local pdxtech folks to make a Portland cases etc. chart to include there
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[KevinMarks] XOXO is great, yes, and I do miss it.
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[tantek] [fluffy] to be clear, Oregon as a whole is fourth surging https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/oregon/ which means at least a few months to get it back under control
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[fluffy] Yeah, that’s unfortunate. What about an online summit, then?
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aaronpk yeah I would not count on an in person event here in the next few months
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[tantek] ugh I've been in so many online summit like things I can tell you it is draining and demoralizing 😞
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[fluffy] (although I was hoping for an annual excuse to head down to Portland, but I could probably figure out some other reason to go down for a vacation)
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[tantek] I don't want to do that to a volunteer-based community.
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[fluffy] Hm, fair.
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[tantek] like no need to compound mental health stresses etc.
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[tantek] more in #indieweb-chat about heading to Portland
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jacky.wtf edited /Quill (+30) "/* See Also */ add Quill to list of Micropub clients" (view diff)
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jacky random: is it possible to edit the MediaWiki theme such that pages like ^ are h-feeds?
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jacky or some sort of Microformats-friendly container format?
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jacky I have a small agenda lol
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aaronpk i guess that's technically possible?
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] agree I would rather like a window of smaller safer summit gather in a gLocal approach then one more online conference
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aaronpk there's also a very extensive MW API tho
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[jgmac1106] and micro.blog ha a meet up
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[jgmac1106] [jacky] not the theme but I did it manually to make a feed of badges before so it is probably possible
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jacky hmm okay then
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[jgmac1106] come to my town for a meet up, they are building a hipster trailer park to charge people to act poor, you can even pay extra to get a lock box for your phone to disconnect
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jacky tbh heh, I should probably lean on that API
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[jgmac1106] I wonder if I did on the badge page on the wiki, I know I have edited the theme so a page is an h-entry..so making an h-feed not different
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[jgmac1106] yes
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[jgmac1106] especially with the newer visual editor
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jacky my agenda is to show/parse the "IndieWeb Examples" of an app if it's there and show those h-cards in the consent screen for Sele
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jacky to make it a bit more personal
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[jgmac1106] you should connect with [Sadik_Shahadu] and our Dagbani wikimedia team..we doing all kinds of fun data structure stuff
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[jgmac1106] ooh cool idea
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Loqi yea
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jacky would it be bad to punt the summit altogether this year?
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[jgmac1106] nope
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jacky as a way to give the community a bit of a break?
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[jgmac1106] I aint planning nothing
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[jgmac1106] I am just tired on a human leve;
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[jgmac1106] level*
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jacky (side-note: my partner's employer is like giving people a whole month off partly because of COVID and the number of online meetings)
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jacky that's where I got the idea from
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doug.holton.space edited /archival_copy (+786) "/* Tools */ archivy, perkeep, wallabag, linkace" (view diff)
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jacky ^ love me some wallabag haha
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Loqi [New Event] ohhelloana.blog created "May 12, 2021 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/ifLXpB2l4d4c
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Loqi [New Event] www.jvt.me created "May 12, 2021 5:30pm Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" https://events.indieweb.org/vAEPOZTD3MkU
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[tantek] jacky, we kinda punted summit last year. I'm ok with delaying and then making a call based on case rates, vax rates etc.
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[tantek] this is a map I'm looking at to (re)consider where to potentially host Summit: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html
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[tantek] this image in particular: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/04/28/herd-immunity-impasse/878691dd6ff11457677e9c003969b3451d4aa341/map-1050.png
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[tantek] That's "Willingness to Get Vaccinated" from 49% to 91% (white to purple)
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[tantek] per county
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jacky hmmm
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jacky oooh maybe in NYC? o.O lol
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[tantek] yup
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jacky is heavily biased towards that choice
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[tantek] I have a map for that too hold on
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[tantek] jacky, note NY is actually fourth surging quite a bit: https://indieweb.org/maps#NYT_C19_4th_wave
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[tantek] personally I like visiting NYC too, they just to clean up their C19 discipline
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jacky heh
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[tantek] just *need to
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jacky it does look like from that original map that California and the middle purple state (I have _no_ idea where that is, lol) are best bets
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[tantek] Minnesota
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jacky yeah, definitely wouldn't have guessed that
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jacky that's kinda sad (agh)
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[tantek] yeah I was a bit surprised OR & WA weren't more thoroughly purple
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@ade_oshineye ↩️ I find the IPFS messaging to be too totalising for me to absorb. Perkeep and Kumbaya (like the #indieweb movement) made it feel like a small group of friends could adopt it and be happy even if no-one in the world ever got onboard the bandwagon. (twitter.com/_/status/1390081274321244169)
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jacky which is good b/c to do otherwise is to replicate a digital form of globalization and that turned out .... like this
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GWG [tantek]: Would you give a state of the Indieweb you usually do as a pre-recorded thing we put out?
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[tantek] ade++ nailed it
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Loqi ade has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] GWG, ugh not really wanting to do a pre-recorded anything
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[tantek] I really like this summary: "a small group of friends could adopt it and be happy even if no-one in the world ever got onboard the bandwagon"
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[tantek] That feels like an implicit principle we've had for a while, and I wonder how to capture it
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[tantek] Almost like a local expansion of cook what you want, eat what you cook.
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[tantek] Cook what you and your friends want, eat what you and your friends cook.
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[tantek] IndieWeb potluck!
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jacky ^
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GWG [tantek]: I know... just trying to figure out how to keep thing's going in small ways
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[tw2113_Slack_] i’m fully vaccinated, for what it’s worth
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[tantek] yeah I think if we did do an indoor event we'd consider making fully vax a requirement
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aaronpk +1... but major "if"
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[schmarty] i keep wondering how to do an outdoor HWC 😂
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[tantek] ⛺
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[tantek] 😄
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[tantek] GWG, want to help plan an actual camping IWC?
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[schmarty] the place will need nice tables and weather. bring: a hotspot and a couple of car batteries and a 12V to 110V inverter???
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GWG As in... in the woods?
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[tantek] As in… outdoors. The woods is one possible example of outdoors.
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[tantek] Other possibilities include, the desert.
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[schmarty] a new choice for IWC: Choose Your Terrain 😂
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[tantek] the prairie
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[tantek] we could invite people to come build their Little Home(page) on the Prairie
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[schmarty] 🏖 ⛰ 🌋
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[tantek] yes the beach/sand would be good to schedule a parallel JSDRcamp to build your Little Sandcastle On the Beach
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aaronpk 🔥
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[schmarty] dang these things are giving me boombox vibes: https://ecoflow.com/products/ecoflow-river-portable-power-station
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[tantek] Would also be kinda amazing to bring out a giant unfurling solar panel setup for IndiePower
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[tantek] The demos must stop when the power drops!
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[tantek] this is an excuse to get a very high lumens projector for doing demos outside isn't it?
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[schmarty] 😂
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GWG I'm curious how that would work