#meta 2021-05-17

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GWG I'm wondering if rather than the Summit this year, we take a page from something like Donut.js and have something monthly.
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GWG So, a session every x weekend of the month. And we fill it from the list of popup ideas.
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GWG And possibly the same with Create Days.
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aaronpk i like the idea of monthly
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aaronpk it’s less of a commitment than a full day or two
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GWG Yes.
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GWG And regular Create Days/Nights would be fun as well
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GWG I'd love to do a Create Night US timezone every so often.
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GWG A full weekend is fun, but I think it only works when we are all together in the flesh. I think online it is time to make things smaller. Less pressure to attend, etc.
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lahacker i'm in
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GWG We have a list of session ideas, and our problem is slotting.
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GWG So, why not pick the same time every month and plot it out, and then fill in which session it will be, with enough time for people to hear about it.
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GWG The question is, when? The 2 hour weekend seems to work the best in terms of getting all timezones.
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lahacker !tell jacky my original intention was to invite members of the various DWeb communities to the InDWeb pop-up.. alternatively we can keep it indie and discuss their offerings in a use-case centric manner without distraction
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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lahacker i'm not sure i've heard a complaint about Saturday morning
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GWG lahacker: I think a few people commented that it interferes with other activities. However, not if we schedule it farther and at a defined interval.
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GWG The problem comes when we don't plan these things out far enough.
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GWG We had that problem with in-person events too.
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GWG We need to help people put things on their calendar so they can do everything they want to do.
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GWG Uploading the session from yesterday
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lahacker gwg: ideally those that want to attend can have some say in the day/time.. but changing the date/time on the official event page doesn't bubble back up to the RSVP'd..
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GWG lahacker: I'm just talking about finding the right balance.
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GWG So, I'd like to say, something like, the 3rd Saturday of every month.
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GWG And maybe, a Create Day on some sort of schedule.
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sknebel could do session, then create day the following weekend
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GWG sknebel: That is what I was thinking.
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GWG Also, make Create times a regular thing as well.
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GWG Let's say lahacker and I, close enough in timezone, both want to have an open Zoom session while we work on things from 6-9 one evening...
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GWG Video is up, by the way
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GWG We need new ways of togetherness.
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sknebel probably something where its worth considering jitsi, that in my experience works better for just dropping in because you dont need a host, so it can really just start whenever someone wants to
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GWG I just realized we're nearby halfway through 2021 and likely we won't get together so soon.
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GWG That, and I have 19 more vacation days to plan
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sknebel e.g. one group im in has a "chatter zone" (Vaguely translated) jitsi room that people just drop in on evenings when theres something planned or something going on they want to do together
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GWG sknebel: It's just the combination between that and people having Zoom fatigue.
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sknebel yeah
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sknebel although the vague "hangout" thing feels different than a scheduled zoom to me
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sknebel could also get one of these 2d world things up for indieweb, I think jacky said he was interested in trying that
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[chrisaldrich] I'm game for a monthly event and saturdays seem workable.
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sknebel (been meaning to update my server for that, but each time I think "ok, going to do that today!" I log on, check load, and someone is running an event somewhere using my server and forgot to tell me about it :D)
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sknebel (and it works, just doesnt have all the features, so "meh")
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Ruxton sknebel: 2d world things?
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sknebel some events have had 2d pixelart online game worlds you can walk around in, talk to people, ...
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sknebel which is quite nice to get away from the "you only have on thread of conversation at a time for everyone" of just one big video call
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Ruxton got an example of something?
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sknebel https://world.ccc-p.org is my local open lab/hackerspace/...
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sknebel (running https://workadventu.re, there's also https://gather.town as a service-only thing)
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Ruxton I used to do Active Worlds back in the day
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Ruxton thats super cool
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sknebel the software is a bit of a mess (and a bit iffy license-wise sadly), but it works well enough to actually use for events
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@sl007 ↩️ https://indieweb.org/js;dr btw, recently visited the opposite ;) https://heydonworks.com (twitter.com/_/status/1394136303919374336)
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[tantek] heh
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[tantek] also monthly sounds good
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GWG How about the name "Summer of Indieweb?"
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[tantek] Is it only scoped to the Summer?
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GWG Season of Indieweb?
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GWG It can be a permanent thing.
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GWG Just regular.
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Ruxton yeah, summer is very northernist of you :P
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sknebel March of Indieweb
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GWG Age of Indieweb?
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sknebel okay, thats too much of an inside joke
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sknebel !march
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Kaja It's March 443, 2020 (UTC)
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GWG I'll have to work on the post.
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GWG The next question is, what is the most Indieweb week of the month?
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sknebel take the session on saturday as the first, then every 4 weeks?
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sknebel (or third saturday if you want to use that system)
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GWG So. that puts it at the 12th or the 19th, depending on how you render it
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sknebel I vote 19th since we havent picked a topic/spread the word yet
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GWG Okay.
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GWG Who is up for Microsub next month?
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GWG I think it's the only protocol we haven't featured
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[jeremycherfas] Just a word that Saturday morning has very different competing needs than Saturday evening, no matter how far in advance.
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GWG [jeremycherfas]: Saturday morning US is Saturday evening Europe
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@crystaldbeasley ↩️ I really like the streamlining you did of it. I get things to 80%, then someone else does the last 80%. (twitter.com/_/status/1394356987777875968)
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[jeremycherfas] Reminded of IWC Utrecht in 2019, a very fine occasion.
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Loqi [[Webmention]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Webmention&diff=1023703109&oldid=prev JackyAlcine: removed h-entry since it's a subset of Microformats
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jacky omg
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Loqi jacky: lahacker left you a message 19 hours, 32 minutes ago: my original intention was to invite members of the various DWeb communities to the InDWeb pop-up.. alternatively we can keep it indie and discuss their offerings in a use-case centric manner without distraction
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jacky lahacker: that's a good idea! I _think_ we could actually benefit from doing both - kind of similar to what Twitter did with their "federated social" report thing
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jacky like we compile a list of dweb/hashweb things we'd be curious about and some things we'd def want to see (like for hypercore/dat, multiwriter is like a hard req for it to work with the IndieWeb)
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jacky and then we could invite some people
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jacky an _actual_ conversation versus the pseudo one they did
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aaronpk !calc days until October 22, 2022
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Loqi 523 days
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aaronpk 523 days until the 10 year anniversary of Webmention!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-10-22 3:39pm PDT (#6853)
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@kevinmarks The problem with this is that GPT3 answers questions like someone bullshitting with buzzwords loosely connected to the topic. But then it was trained on a lot of reddit discussions. https://chat.indieweb.org/known/2021-05-09 (twitter.com/_/status/1394422460112592896)
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[tantek] jacky, note that there are individual pages for separate microformats vocabularies like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAtom
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jacky oof
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[tantek] I reverted your edit on the Webmention page for that reason. it makes sense to explicitly list h-entry
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jacky hmm but it doesn't exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEntry
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[tantek] because for all practical purposes it is a very strongly related standard
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[tantek] right, that's why it's a red link
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[tantek] really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAtom should be rewritten to be updated for h-feed, then renamed accordingly, and then there should be a separate page for h-entry accordingly
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[tantek] it's ok to link to things that don't (yet) exist on Wikipedia. that's one of the ways of signaling that something *should* exist on Wikipedia
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[tantek] you can even check to see how many other pages link to a specific page that doesn't exist!
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[tantek] and if that's a high enough number, that's a good reason to create a stub page for that
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jacky TIL
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Loqi [[Webmention]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Webmention&diff=1023717369&oldid=prev Tantek: Undid revision 1023703109 by JackyAlcine (talk), it's not a subset of the page, note separate HAtom page that should be updated for h-entry the latest version
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aaronpk lol i forgot we get wikipedia notifications in here too
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[tantek] is that a specific list of terms or WP pages?
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aaronpk ah it's watching the atom feeds for 4 wikipedia pages
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aaronpk oh indieauth isn't in the list yet!
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[tantek] a-ha. is that list on the wiki itself?
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aaronpk no it's actually in my aperture account!
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[tantek] only 4?!?
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[tantek] lol
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aaronpk are there more relevant WP pages?
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[tantek] uh yeah
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[tantek] at least hCard and hAtom and microformats
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aaronpk goes to add some more
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aaronpk finds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro.blog
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[tantek] IndieWeb and IndieWebCamp
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[tantek] maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking ?
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jacky oh the visual editor for MediaWiki is _nice_
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aaronpk ok now I have: IndieWebCamp, IndieWeb, Microformats, Webmention, IndieAuth, Known, Micro.blog, WebSub, Comparison of...
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[tantek] I always edit the source
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aaronpk i dunno if i want to add the mf1 ones. seems more relevant for #microformats instead of here
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[tantek] aaronpk, may want to include https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:W3C_standards since that links to IndieAuth, Webmention and a few others you may have missed
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[tantek] e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub_(protocol)
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[tantek] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSub
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[tantek] agreed if you can separate the microformat related notifications to go to #microformats
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Loqi [[Template]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W3C_standards&diff=1023718605&oldid=prev Tantek: +Audio,Testing,i18n,Media,Payments,Perf,WebApps,WebAppSec,WebAssembly,WebAuthn,WebRTC; mv SocialWeb,WebPlat to closed; re-add TAG, notable: one of highest authorities guiding/deciding World Wide Web standards. Also prominent subject of https://www.adexchanger.com/privacy/influential-w3c-working-group-calls-privacy-sandbox-proposal-harmful/ and https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/254275/supercookies-digital-fingerprinting-undermine-tru.html
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aaronpk oh i guess that is working then!
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aaronpk i wasn't sure that was the only step i had to do :)
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aaronpk it did pull out the wrong page name for that template tho
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[tantek] aaronpk, maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_web_page also? seems IndieWeb related 🙂
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[tantek] ^ btw that page needs some work in case anyone here wants to help improve it!