#meta 2021-05-28
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[tantek] what's the indieweb relevance of the new https://indieweb.org/wikis page? and maybe we already have a page on wiki software somewhere?
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gRegor Not sure. I did just come across https://indieweb.org/wiki-projects
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Saphire Oh wait
# Saphire Nvm
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Loqi [[Template:W3C_standards]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W3C_standards&diff=1025519375&oldid=prev SamanthaNguyen: MMI closed in 2017
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# Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Aug 28, 2021 11:00am IndieAuth Popup Session" https://events.indieweb.org/8gwaJpICmh79
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# [tantek] the new pages /wikis should be incorporated into /wiki-projects and /wikis should be turned into a redirect
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Seirdy so if anyone else is able to log into the wiki, then https://indieweb.org/discuss should probably update its references to Matrix ;)
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# barnabyw[m] test
# barnabyw[m] looks good from here, I’ll update the wiki
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /discuss () "(-525) Updated migration status to reflect matrix bridge working, updated matrix links" (view diff)
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@voxpelli ↩️ And @indiewebcamp combines video with the every day community IRC/Slack channels and the long term, ever improving, community wiki.
Makes for a great supportive and creative environment (twitter.com/_/status/1398246942535307267)
# @voxpelli ↩️ Virtual big conferences: Not worth it.
Smaller barcamp style conferences: Still works and is generally, virtual or not, superior to the others in my book.
Primary example of the latter: @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1398246473024872459)
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# Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Aug 13 - 15, 2021 Micro Camp 2021" changed website, description https://events.indieweb.org/event/242/history/830/diff
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gRegorLove maxwelljoslyn, can you upload the photo from HWC Americas on the event page?
# gRegorLove ope, not here
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# gRegorLove !tell maxwelljoslyn, can you upload the photo from HWC Americas on the event page?
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# [tantek] start of thread: https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1398333237945147399
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@Mappletons I’ve been tended a long post on the history of “Digital Gardening” over the last year. From @holden's original essay to the recent explosion of community experiments. 🌿 https://maggieappleton.com/garden-history Included six design patterns I see as unifying qualities across gardens: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2fd4m-WEAIXFaL.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1398333237945147399)
# [tantek] love this diagram in particular: https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1398333256014123010
# @Mappletons 3. Imperfection & learning in public Gardens are imperfect by design. They don't hide their rough edges or claim to be a permanent source of truth. They're more coherent than chat feeds, but less polished than a blog post – in between chaos streams and cultivated performance https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2ffjy-XMAgOeqz.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1398333256014123010)
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# [tantek] The full article goes into a lot more depth and does of course give a nod to the "commonplace book" as an influence: https://maggieappleton.com/garden-history
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# maxwelljoslyn tantek: I got it, I'll upload. Thanks for hte reminder
# maxwelljoslyn hm, looks like Loki messages only arrive after I speak my first message. note to self: functional reason for saying "morning indieweb" or some other greeting
# can maybe?
# [tantek] ok since no-one has taken it yet, I'll work on merging the new /wikis page into the existing /wiki-projects page and leaving a redirect behind
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[chrisaldrich] dougholton++ for trying to better delineate the IWC wiki from the use of wikis as IndieWeb-based sites
# [chrisaldrich] I'll look at it in a bit myself later tantek when you're done with your merge as we could do a better job at making that distinction and highlighting some examples there.
# [chrisaldrich] On the Maggie article: Perhaps the cognitive dissonance you've got tantek is that maybe we need the word "digital" in front of commonplace book? to better differentiate between a physical book version and a digital one?
# [chrisaldrich] Without being able to point to a particular "receipt" at the moment, I'm relatively certain that Maggie's work only references the idea of a commonplace book from a historical perspective because of our wiki page.
# [chrisaldrich] Maggie in particular provides the start of this idea to Mike Caulfield's post. More people in these spaces only go so far back to the 1945 Atlantic article "As We May Think" by Vannevar Bush.
# [chrisaldrich] I view this as similar to the all-too-positive tech bro framing that we've seen more recently with the rise of social media in the early 2000's without thinking about either our cultural history or the longer term ideas and consequences. Bush didn't suddenly invent this idea or come up with this brilliant flash of genius overnight, despite what the techno-utopians may wish were true.
# [chrisaldrich] Incredibly few are aware of the broader cultural pattern going back centuries, which I think can be even more helpful for potential design principles for evolving it as a space.
# [chrisaldrich] In any case, attempting to divorce the ideas and the long history, regardless of what name you want to give it does it a massive disservice in my opinion.
# [chrisaldrich] It would be a bit like saying Gutenberg invented "the book" and forgetting about scratches in the dirt, early visual art, orality, wax tablets, clay tablets, papyrus, handwriting, scrolls, codices, manuscripts, incunabula and everything in between in service to a new gimmick, marketing or a recent "fad".
# [chrisaldrich] Outside of the difference in medium between physical book and online, I really don't see much new in any of these ideas.
# [chrisaldrich] Now if someone wanted to take Raymond Llull's idea of combinatorial creativity seen in Llullan wheels from the 12th century and build that into their online commonplace book, then we'd have something! 😉
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# [chrisaldrich] Maybe I just find books more friendly than gardens? Maybe I should do more reading in our garden? 🤷♂️😁
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angelo chrisaldrich leave your book inside and go into your garden/yard and identify each plant, walk up to it, investigate its size/shape but also its state (flowers in bloom? light green fresh growth?); in one month each and every single one of those plants will be in a new state; does the new state (growth) cast a shadow upon a once illuminated neighbor? how does this interconnectivity scale out to the
# [tantek] yo can someone please IndieNews https://maggieappleton.com/garden-history ? thanks!
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-05-28.html (twitter.com/_/status/1398402464697651200)
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