#meta 2021-07-02

2021-07-02 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Sunlit (+53) "open source dfn, link to repo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Micro.blog (+138) "/* iOS */ OSS, also Wavelength, distinguish official apps from 3rd party, remove marketing verbage" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Wavelength (+110) "open source dfn, link to repo, see also" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, you asked me about "easy to remember", my question to you in return is, is that really the most important goal for pop-ups? Or what in your opinion are the most important goals for pop-ups?
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tantek.com edited /Micro.blog (+200) "/* MacOS Desktop Client */ add official client, OSS, note existing 3rd party app" (view diff)
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[tantek] [manton] I think I've made all the updates to the wiki pages to note the new open source repos of the various micro.blog apps. Could you review this one in particular? Is the 3rd party MacOS desktop app still a thing, or was it the basis of the official app, or something else? I couldn't find any connection so I didn't assume any: https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog#MacOS_Desktop_Client
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GWG [tantek]: Me not being the only person there?
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[tantek] GWG, yes, a good representation of the community that's interested in the topic is a good goal for pop-ups, and that should be more than one person 🙂
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GWG [tantek]: The idea was to make it regular so people could plan.
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GWG That worked in one sense, but fell down in the regularity means that people will regularly not be available.
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GWG No system is perfect
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[tantek] regularity planning implies you want (or want to encourage specifically) the same "set" of people (at whatever frequency), which I think is a false assumption for topic-specific pop-ups
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GWG Good point.
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GWG So, we have 2 more popups on the calendar though. IndieAuth and Microformats. What would you suggest?
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GWG I think there is a middle ground
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aaronpk Personally I don't think there is a need for a regular date in any calendar system. But it's also too slow to poll everyone for dates that work. So I think a good middle ground is someone taking the initiative and setting a date far enough in advance that most people will be able to plan around it if they want to attend
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GWG I have a homepage question for everyone then
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GWG The section of the main page that says IndieWebCamp, how could we modify that to incorporate both IndieWebCamps and Pop-ups?
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[tantek] There's also the next Gardens & Streams pop-up right? [chrisaldrich]
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[tantek] Previously we've planning IndieWebCamps by proposing dates and having people vote for them for a while, and then when there is an obvious best candidate, chosen one. I don't see why it needs to be any different for pop-ups
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GWG [tantek]: The question is how much while? A single session doesn't need as much as a whole weekend
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[tantek] how much while what?
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GWG There is less of a commitment on a popups then a whole weekend
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[tantek] what impact does that have on the inclusiveness of polling folks for a while?
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[tantek] if anything, less of a commitment should imply that more people would be able to express opinions about a specific session's possible date(s)
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GWG Yes.
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GWG So, I would suggest trying something for September
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GWG There's already an event on August 28th which at least 3 people are attending.
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tantek.com edited /pop-up (+154) "plural dfn, provide actual likely to be interest quick links at top, move online background to online section, rm some weasel words" (view diff)
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aaronpk I also don't think there is a need to space them out by an arbitrary amount
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aaronpk especially since different topics wil likely have a different set of people interested
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david.shanske.com edited /IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth (+673) "/* Step 1: Decide to issue an access token */" (view diff)
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[tantek] exactly aaronpk, like we never had to space out IWCs either
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[tantek] GWG, can you add your Microformats pop-up date suggestions (whether for a month or specific days) to https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Dates ?
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[tantek] so far I'm the only person that's expressed (dis)interest in specific dates
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david.shanske.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+83) "/* Dates */" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell barnaby I couldn't find where there was a community poll (was there one?) to figure out the date for the upcoming Microformats pop-up, so I created one, please add your preferences: https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Dates — incidentally I can't make the 31st
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+607) "/* Microformats Roundtable */ copy name & description from meetable event to wiki to save it" (view diff)
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[tantek] Actually, I'm going to go out on a limb and delete the meetable event because it seems to have broken from the community custom (expectations) of polling folks for a date, and better to have no event than misrepresent certainty like that (and meetable doesn't have the ability to post a "future" event without a specific date)
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[tantek] I save the name/description in the pop-up proposal to make it easier to recreate it: https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Microformats_Roundtable
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GWG [tantek]: There is a postponed property in Meetable.
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[tantek] that's not actually true either, it wasn't really planned
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[tantek] and I can't find the way to delete an event lol
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jul 1, 2021 deleted" changed name, start_date, start_time, end_time, status, website, meeting_url, description, tags "blank to delete lacking an explicit delete feature, set date to date of deletion" https://events.indieweb.org/event/251/history/856/diff
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[tantek] there were zero RSVPs
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GWG I'm wide open for the summer, to be honest
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GWG I have not planned anything
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GWG I need to.
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GWG I have 13 unplanned vacation days left
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[tantek] -> chat for vacation planning
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[tantek] fine, I'll prune that event even further into the past
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jan 1, 0001 deleted" changed start_date "henceforth 1/1/1 is designated the garbage file for deleted events" https://events.indieweb.org/event/251/history/857/diff
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[tantek] LOL! the photo for sensitive data. well done folks
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tantek.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Microformats (-95) "note date is dependent on poll" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Microformats (+60) "/* Parsing */ agreeing with barnaby's suggestions for discussion" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+149) "/* Dates */ add a few +1s, September dates" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell GWG,aaronpk,barnaby I added September possible dates for the Microformats pop-up as well. Please add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Dates — open to all who want to chat & help resolve technical issues about microformats (specs, code, parsing)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@zachleat ↩️ anyway google should pay a third party to make a decentralized indieweb social network and call it google minus ok bye (twitter.com/_/status/1410947876801351682)
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[manton] [tantek] Thanks for updating the wiki! That looks good. That other third-party Mac app was different, so makes sense to keep listing it separately. (Don’t think it’s maintained anymore but maybe someone else will want to pick it up at some point.)
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manton.org edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+67) "Voting for a few August dates." (view diff)
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[manton] Should we put in a few potential dates for the Microsub pop-up? Seems to be a lot of interest in it.
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[manton] I’m also up for a July pop-up if people are available. I missed the last one but want to try to make most of them even if I’m lurking on some topics.
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aaronpk Since Tantek cancelled the microformats session in July we could do microsub on that date instead
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 7 hours, 54 minutes ago: I added September possible dates for the Microformats pop-up as well. Please add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Dates — open to all who want to chat & help resolve technical issues about microformats (specs, code, parsing)
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GWG aaronpk: I would love Microsub
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Loqi GWG: [tantek] left you a message 7 hours, 56 minutes ago: I added September possible dates for the Microformats pop-up as well. Please add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Dates — open to all who want to chat & help resolve technical issues about microformats (specs, code, parsing)
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GWG And I'm available every weekend...thus far
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GWG Still haven't scheduled anything
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GWG So, that's three people
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GWG How about we post our intentions, and lock after the holiday weekend
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[manton] I’ll go ahead and add some potential dates for Microsub if no one else is editing it.
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manton.org edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+201) "Adding potential dates for Microsub in July." (view diff)
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@autiomaa Are there Micropub servers (or similar) that run on AWS Lambda / Netlify Functions? Would like to have an API endpoint to post short status updates to personal website. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1410983601567567876)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html
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david.shanske.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+104) "/* Dates */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+147) "/* Dates */" (view diff)
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GWG Okay.
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GWG I just documented my lack of plans for the foreseeable future on the Popup page
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GWG I'm not sure that helps.
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GWG It makes it a +1 to anything
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[jacky] agh, I need like a master link of things to RSVP to lol
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jacky.wtf edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+40) "/* Dates */ add my dates for the microsub popup" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+97) "/* Dates */ add dates for microformats" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html
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GWG https://wptavern.com/wordpress-green-lights-in-person-meetup-events-for-vaccinated-attendees
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GWG Makes me think of similar discussions here
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@jmeowmeow My calendar is open! Time to catch up on IndieWeb, FedWiki, Observable... Saving next Wednesday's Americas meet-up. (twitter.com/_/status/1411087197072084992)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-07-02.html (twitter.com/_/status/1411086038525648900)
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[tantek] ^ great sign that the Newsletter works to remind folks about HWC (and likely other events)
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[tantek] GWG, yes we should chat more about in-person meetups
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[tantek] I have two opinions about it
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GWG Yes?
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GWG We should have that online organizer meeting maybe
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[tantek] 1 we should discuss and give general guidance to local organizers re: in-person HWC meetups, and then ultimately delegate the decision-making / responsibility to them since they (hopefully) understand local conditions better
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Loqi definitely
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[tantek] 2 we should discuss stronger guidelines for in-person IWCs since those involve more people, and (likely) much more time indoors
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[tantek] Note that Beyond Tellerand postponed all 2021 in-person events for example
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[tantek] In cases where we have had IWCs adjacent to another in-person event, we can follow the lead of that other in-person event (at least in terms of postponement)
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[tantek] If/when they do decide to host an in-person event, we can ask their co-organizers what they think of also having an adjacent IWC for participants, and get their opinion / help with venue(s) for that
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[tantek] For IWCs organized on their own, we still have to make case-by-case (city-by-city) specific decision, and so for that will need local organizer input as well
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GWG I still ask if an in person event is in the cards in 2021
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[tantek] I wonder that too. I am about 50/50 hopeful there's a chance
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[tantek] The biggest challenge IMO will be venues and rules for venues
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[tantek] I am definitely for requiring proof of vaccination for any in-person events at any indoor facility for the forseeable future (until we see cases drop to 0 in a city for at least two weeks)
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[tantek] The informal XOXO meetup presents an opportunity in September in Portland (for something adjacent), IF we find a venue
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[tantek] we may also have capacity limits (imposed by the venue or by organizers)
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GWG And which possible city would have a venue?
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[tantek] GWG, which cities do you want to have an IWC (that you think at least a few others may go to)? see if you can find and track those cities new case numbers, and perhaps give a heads-up when it drops to say <1 per 100k population per day.
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[tantek] that's a good sign that a city is close to hitting 0 new cases per day which would mean we may be able to optimistically pick a weekend for an IWC
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[tantek] those are my opinions of course around erring on the side of safety for folks. other opinions welcome
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GWG Well, we also have to think about where we have venues and people
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GWG I fear if we don't keep looking to make a comeback we might find it progressively harder
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sknebel (not that relevant to the principle, but I thought btconf Düsseldorf is still planned for november?)
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sknebel (which for me is very much in the "would be possible, but don't know yet how I'll feel about it then" time range)
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[tantek] sknebel, oh wow is it really? I must have misread/heard, will double-check. I'd consider IWC DUS in November if Marc (and maybe Joschi too?) was up for it and the numbers look very good in Germany by then
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[tantek] hmmm looks like it's on yet no details on speakers etc: https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/dusseldorf-2021
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sknebel it had been moved from I think may to november, maybe thats what you remembered
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[tantek] it got moved from 2020 to 2021 also
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sknebel sure, that too
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[tantek] hmm, thought I was on their newsletter but I'm not seeing it in my archives.
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[tantek] nevermind, it says I'm already subscribed. odd
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[tantek] now I found it in my archives. ugh Gmail search is so bad
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[tantek] as of June 21: "Let’s cross fingers for November and as soon as I get the venue and hotel confirmed, I will open ticket sales again, to sell the rest of the 30–50 tickets that are left."
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[tantek] looks like we're not going to hear any updates til August, so we can wait to figure out IWC DUS then
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sknebel ah ok, that last update I didn't know
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[tantek] til then, we can also "tip" Marc with coffees if we want to help encourage him 🙂 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/marcthiele
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[tantek] GWG, sknebel, add your feelings about IWC DUS here: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Dusseldorf
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[tantek] there's basically one possible date that I think makes sense
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