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[tantek] I am once again asking for your opinions on https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2021-10-18#t1634577275840300
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Loqi [[tantek]] I'd like to get rid of "scratch your own itch" from the /principles page just as we got rid of selfdogfooding
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[KevinMarks] "put your own mask on first" is a related idiom that got more relevant
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@hackr ↩️ I'm a huge fan of pesos (https://indieweb.org/PESOS) - but at the bottom line all you need is one txt file and a workflow to append everything you post with a timestamp (and url if you want to go fancy). (twitter.com/_/status/1450500500139487239)
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capjamesg[d] I like "scratch your own itch"
# capjamesg[d] It makes sense to me.
# capjamesg[d] I liked your analogy combination there [tantek] of [KevinMarks]' suggestion.
# capjamesg[d] I do think "make what you need" would resonate with more people though.
# capjamesg[d] There's no reason why both can't be mentioned anyway?
# capjamesg[d] +1
# capjamesg[d] The less jargon we can introduce to beginners, the better.
# capjamesg[d] We want people to be thinking about what they can do vs. feeling like they have to learn a lot to get started.
# capjamesg[d] I feel "cook what you want" is ambiguous.
# capjamesg[d] Or, rather, unclear.
# capjamesg[d] I don't interpret it as "I can bake a cookie or a pie or an apple crumble" but I don't see the need / benefit of the word "cook".
# capjamesg[d] I know cook = make / build but will other people?
# capjamesg[d] Conceptually, I think the word "cook" is a bit far from what I would expect from a page about making what I need.
# capjamesg[d] make what you need > scratch your own itch > cook what you want
# capjamesg[d] Disclaimer: I am not a good cook.
# capjamesg[d] I feel that is important to state in this discussion.
# capjamesg[d] All three variants, to me, imply ownership, which I think is a key concept. I feel like this discussion is more about the semantics of what would resonate more with people.
# capjamesg[d] Cooking is indeed something that you can scale up. I hadn't thought about that.
# capjamesg[d] Side note: I got around to posting my reply context status on the wiki [tantek]. I know you prompted me on that.
# capjamesg[d] I think make what you need is the most direct variant we have right now. There's not much thinking that is needed to understand the concept.
# capjamesg[d] With that said, that's my opinion; what works for the most people / what resonates most is the variant we should promote 🙂
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boffosocko.com edited /year_in_review (+391) "/* Brainstorming */ year in review of reading sources" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] We might also keep in mind the variety of translations these phrases might have (and the unintended poor idiom choices/biases those languages may have) in those other languages. Make what you need is reasonably straightforward versus scratch your own itch which as a metaphor may have a much wider choice of translations.
# [chrisaldrich] I'll note that most parents will tell their children not to scratch those bug bites for fear of increasing damage or scarring.
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@capjamesg I just published a post on my blog about how I share context on my blog replies #indieweb
https://jamesg.blog/2021/10/19/reply-context (twitter.com/_/status/1450517598412627976)
# [chrisaldrich] As an example/exercise, Tantek, have you looked at how other languages translate the English-based war/fighting phrases and colloquialisms you've been collecting? Those might provide other more interesting/useful replacements that aren't as belligerent as our learned framings.
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tracydurnell[d] what if it was more "cook to your own taste" or "cook your own meal/dish" than "cook what you want"?
# tracydurnell[d] potentially I could see wayfinding metaphors working? "find your own path / make your own path"
# tracydurnell[d] fair point 😉 "make what you need" seems reasonably clear
# capjamesg[d] To what extent will we advertise alternative metaphors vs. our main one, whatever we choose.
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# [tantek] capjamesg[d], we currently have metaphors in the /principles descriptions
# Loqi eat what you cook is a metaphor for the IndieWeb principle “use what you make”, encouraging creators to use what they create, in particular on their personal website https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make
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# Loqi [github] Successfully deployed aaronpk/indielogin.com to https://indielogin.com
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gRegor How much of that h-x-app discussion should be on indieweb wiki vs http://microformats.org/wiki/app sub-pages?
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@justbrowsingOO ↩️ Some related projects:
(h/t @kevin2kelly / Recommendo)
https://searchmysite.net/
https://indieweb-search.jamesg.blog/
http://teclis.com/
https://millionshort.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1450586422285639681)
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@explodingblood ↩️ there were a bunch of cool tools being built to enable the big social media features on self hosted websites as part of the indieweb project but i don’t think it really went anywhere substantial in the long term unfortunately (twitter.com/_/status/1450589966413746178)
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