#meta 2021-12-02

2021-12-02 UTC
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GWG Alone at HWC again
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GWG I guess the trend is over
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Dec 8, 2021 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - The Americas" https://events.indieweb.org/sXEHERrn2baE
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@brettkosinski A huge shoutout to @somafm! I’ve been a listener for many many years and their stations have introduced me to numerous artists over the years. A true standout in indie radio, indie music, and the indie web! #music #indieweb (https://b-ark.ca/aMuWw0) (twitter.com/_/status/1466279757943873537)
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@DEGoodmanWilson Trying very hard to understand the #indieweb and how to implement various bits of it, but I'm finding the resources at http://indieweb.org essentially incomprehensible. Is there a better resource for the complete beginner? Does this even exist? (twitter.com/_/status/1466393142404472834)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Come over to http://chat.indieweb.org and ask questions there (via web, slack, irc, discord) and we can try to improve the docs too. You may find http://indiewebify.me an easier entry point if you have your own site already as that has tests for implementations. (twitter.com/_/status/1466398658576928781)
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@JamieTanna ↩️ As Kevin mentions, the IndieWeb Chat is a good place to go for more conversations. I guess the main thing is what do you want out of it? I thoroughly recommend https://theadhocracy.co.uk/wrote/one-year-in-the-indieweb as a note of whether you want to be indieweb or IndieWeb because… https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/12/iwbgz/ (twitter.com/_/status/1466412218845925377)
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[tantek]1 Curious why not start with linking Getting Started
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[KevinMarks] se conversation in #indieweb - he found Getting Started confusing as he already has a site
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[tantek]1 Huh
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aaronpk it's not really surprising, the getting started page is written to people who are really just getting started from nothing, and then all the headers under "indieweb self-starters" describe the what, but not the why
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[manton] I wonder if Getting Started should be split into multiple pages? There’s a lot of info on that page… I can see how someone would get lost trying to figure out what they need to know.
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[manton] Or more advanced topics at least put somewhere else. Running a home server, URL-shortener, etc. are all things that very few “getting started” people will need.
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[tantek]1 [manton] yes indeed to all of that. shrinking Getting Started has been a slow work in progress
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[tantek]1 (it used to have a lot more)
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[tantek]1 This seems like a key insight: "using a static site generator, so the three paths in the Getting Started don't speak to me"
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[tantek]1 the descent into "getting started for a developer" in #indieweb is not helpful IMO
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[tantek]1 Loqi was right, that was when the conversation should have been taken to #indieweb-dev
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[manton] Yeah, the steps for someone using a static site vs. a hosted blog system are very different, usually. Those might be the 2 main paths.
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[tantek]1 we need to capture examples we're encountering of "I'm a smart/experienced/technical person and I'm confused by Getting Started" because they are helpful both for improving the actual Getting Started, and point to ways we can improve /welcoming to help guide folks to understanding that expertise in one area doesn't mean everything is unconfusing
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[tantek]1 [manton] hard to tell, if you check the Bridgy/webmention stats, traditional CMS's (WordPress, Drupal) dwarf both of those "2 main paths" combined.
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[tantek]1 by "hosted blog system" do you mean WPcom or WPorg on your own web host?
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[manton] [tantek] I guess both, potentially… Perhaps it’s not quite right but I was thinking there’s a difference between people who are basically going to need to work in HTML directly (adding link tags, JS, whatever) and people who mostly need to configure existing tools and plug-ins.
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[tantek]1 agreed, and we've previously discussed a completely separate "Getting Started For Developers" page for the former
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[manton] That makes sense to me. It’s just a different skillset to add (for example) Webmention to WordPress vs. Hugo.
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[tantek]1 refocusing "Getting Started" on solutions that requires zero coding (even seeing code) and zero command lines
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[tantek]1 require*
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[schmarty] it also sounds a bit like we could use a "getting started" type doc that is focused on understanding what is possible and choosing goals.
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[schmarty] including basics like "have my own content on my own domain" but also "interact with other indieweb sites" and "allow other indieweb sites to interact with me"
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[schmarty] like common compositions of building blocks.
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[tantek]1 "understanding what is possible" is something the home page should convey to some extent, with longer pages for details.
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[tantek]1 that kind of "value proposition" needs to be up front
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[tantek]1 the choosing goals thing is interesting
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[tantek] https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive/pull/47
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aaronpk i think i blocked their ip address
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Loqi [tantek] #47 Update 02.txt
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aaronpk tantek++
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[tantek] hmm, the logs stopped updating after that
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[tantek] last statement I'm seeing is my reply to snarfed: https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-12-02#t1638472582652500
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Loqi [[tantek]1] -> #indieweb-dev or maybe #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] only main chat stopped logging. this channel's logs are up to date
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aaronpk hm might be a merge conflict then
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aaronpk aha yes
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[tantek] oops
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aaronpk should be fixed now
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aaronpk it's not a perfect system :)
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[tantek] I meant my oops for causing the logging stoppage 🙂
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aaronpk not your fault really
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capjamesg[d] [tantek]++
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