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@artlung I'm grokking @BlogrollOrg's latest post on the art of old school blogging: https://blogroll.org/state-of-the-blogroll/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1484337468090376193)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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GWG- That reminds me...photo from last night
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capjamesg[d] What is a manifesto?
# Loqi A manifesto is "a published verbal declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party or government" according to Wikipedia[1] - in summary there is no IndieWeb(Camp) manifesto https://indieweb.org/manifesto
# capjamesg[d] manifesto << https://web0.small-web.org/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://web0.small-web.org/" to the "See Also" section of /manifesto https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79197&oldid=50290
# GWG- Manifesto always sounds negative to me because of who usually writes them about what
# capjamesg[d] This one stood out because it has a lot of signatories compared to most technology manifestos I have see. But yes I agree. I don't usually sign them, nor have I signed the one above.
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jeremycherfas That might be a US/UK split. In the UK, one main use of the word is to describe the promises that political parties make to secure election.
# capjamesg[d] Good point jeremycherfas.
# [snarfed] capjamesg you may know, but just fyi aral and indieweb haven't always seen eye to eye in the past, eg https://twitter.com/aral/status/1322147826755919875
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@aral Because we’ve been vilified and attacked by them off and on for the last 7 years. Because we’re not afraid to say fuck Google and fuck surveillance capitalism and no, we can’t all just get along. https://indieweb.org/small_web <– fuck off PS. This is Small Web: https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/ https://twitter.com/wolframkriesing/status/1322138393266909185 (twitter.com/_/status/1322147826755919875)
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# capjamesg[d] I do know 😦
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# [tw2113_Slack_] it’s like there’s multiple ways to approach things Aral
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[aciccarello] Should this conversation happen in #indieweb-chat ?
# [tw2113_Slack_] I do send them like $5/mo or something like that so I’m being supportive of his efforts too 😄
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# [tw2113_Slack_] €5.00 actually, which equals $5.67 USD
# [tw2113_Slack_] i’m about to enter an internal dayjob call anyway, so i’m good to table my discussions
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# Loqi [[Template:W3C_standards]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W3C_standards&diff=1067081442&oldid=prev TartareDeBœuf: Added TAG
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
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tantek.com edited /tagmoji (+357) "/* Service Examples */ micro.blog examples and use instead of hashtags" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /emojis_as_tags (+20) "prompted by [tantek]1 and redirect added by [tantek]1" (view diff)
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# [tantek]1 capjamesg[d] could I trouble you to add IndieWeb relevance to the dfn of this new page? https://indieweb.org/Developer_Experience (per /definition)
# [tantek]1 what is an image proxy
# Loqi An image proxy is a service that fetches and re-serves images from a new URL, useful for IndieWeb sites that for privacy reasons want to avoid making their viewers load images directly from other services https://indieweb.org/image_proxy
# [tantek]1 ^ snarfed, since you recently created video proxy, would you say that's an accurate IndieWeb reason to use an image proxy?
# capjamesg[d] [tantek] On reflection, I wonder if we even need that page.
# [tantek]1 indeed
# [tantek]1 what is UX
# Loqi User experience, often abbreviated as UX, refers to the total experience a user has with a tool, or even an entire company, across all methods of communication and interaction with that tool, including both direct interactions using a tool UI and indirect interactions via other tools such as email, SMS, phone calls, in-person human representatives of the tool or company, etc https://indieweb.org/ux
# [tantek]1 capjamesg[d] perhaps add a subsection on /UX instead? and then redirect /Developer_Experience to that
# capjamesg[d] Good point.
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jamesg.blog deleted /Developer_Experience "content was: "
{{stub}} '''<dfn>Developer Experience</dfn>''' is a term used to describe the way in which a developer interacts with a tool, and sho...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]]" ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])"# capjamesg[d] What is developer experience?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "developer experience" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "developer experience is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# capjamesg[d] developer experience is /UX#Developer_Experience
# loqi.me created /developer_experience (+36) "prompted by capjamesg[d] and redirect added by capjamesg[d]" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] Thank you Loqi!
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# [tantek]1 use of image proxies has definitely come up many times at IndieWebCamps
# [tantek]1 so there has been IndieWeb-specific discussion of them
# [tantek]1 and having IndieWeb Examples is sufficient reason to keep them, we just need to add a summary of their IndieWeb-specific relevance to the dfn
# [tantek]1 happy to drop the mention of privacy if that's not relevant
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# tantek.com edited /video_proxy (-168) "drop privacy mention per snarfed. Undo revision 79209 by [[Special:Contributions/Tantek.com|Tantek.com]] ([[User talk:Tantek.com|talk]])" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /image_proxy (-159) "drop privacy mention per snarfed. Undo revision 79210 by [[Special:Contributions/Tantek.com|Tantek.com]] ([[User talk:Tantek.com|talk]])" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 btw ^^ good reason to do atomic wiki page edits instead of editing everything at once: much easier to undo a particular atomic change
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
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[schmarty] i'd second that image/video proxies are dev-related. i think of them as IndieWeb building blocks on part with a micropub endpoint.
# [schmarty] build-blocks-slash-plumbing
# [tantek]1 [schmarty] can you describe briefly how they’re indieweb-dev related in particular?
# [schmarty] not sure i have it in me right now to wordsmith it well, but the main things i think of are: 1. they ensure that media are sized, formatted, and filtered as you like in a declarative way and 2. using them as a cache can help fight link rot for external media (for example in responses and reply contexts)
# [tantek]1 happy to wordsmith. thank you
# [tantek]1 the user benefits of (1) are performance & fidelity, the user benefit of (2) is reliability
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# tantek.com edited /image_proxy (+256) "dfn user-centered reasons why IndieWeb sites use them, expand why" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 what is an image proxy?
# Loqi An image proxy is a service that fetches and re-serves images from a new URL, used by IndieWeb sites to provide better performance, fidelity, and/or reliability of images embedded in posts https://indieweb.org/image_proxy
# [tantek]1 ^ how's that snarfed and [schmarty]?
# [schmarty] i like it! tantek++
# [schmarty] i feel like that would be a good lower-third for me in a video clip
# [schmarty] "Marty McGuire
# [schmarty] Net Revert"
# tantek.com edited /meta (+358) "improve dfn based on actual IndieWeb community usage, move existing quote to meta as it is meta about meta" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 what is meta
# Loqi meta in the IndieWeb may refer to the HTML <meta> tag, the meta discussion channel, a general expression that something is about something, or sometimes a sarcastic reference to Facebook which renamed itself Meta in 2021 https://indieweb.org/meta
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@CircleReader ↩️ We can do it! #indieweb https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1484620846987726852)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# capjamesg[d] Apologies for that [tantek] 🤦♀️
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# [tantek]1 lol which? 😂
# capjamesg[d] The meta revert.
# capjamesg[d] Thanks for adding to the open source page!
# capjamesg[d] Yes, that is much better!
# capjamesg[d] Thank you! 🙏
# Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "May 15, 2021 11:00am Webmentions Beyond Webmention.io" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/234/history/999/diff
# tantek.com edited /IndieWeb_Search (-7) "encouragement to try it, search dfn: for text in" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] tantek I will have a blog post to add to that page soon 😉
# Loqi [New Event] boffosocko.com created "Feb 19, 2022 9:00am Personal Libraries Pop Up Session" https://events.indieweb.org/Wax8N17zQuY0
# capjamesg[d] IndieWeb Search << You can parse and manipulate IndieWeb Search feeds in only a few lines of code, with a valid microformats parser. Here’s how you can do so in Python: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/11/parse-indieweb-search-results-python/
# Loqi ok, I added "You can parse and manipulate IndieWeb Search feeds in only a few lines of code, with a valid microformats parser. Here’s how you can do so in Python: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/11/parse-indieweb-search-results-python/" to the "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Search https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79233&oldid=79232
# capjamesg[d] readers << Reflections on interactions with social readers and their potential: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/17/social-readers/
# Loqi ok, I added "Reflections on interactions with social readers and their potential: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/17/social-readers/" to the "See Also" section of /reader https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79234&oldid=75778
# capjamesg[d] IndieWeb Search << All search feeds come marked up as h-feeds and have accompanying alternate RSS, JSON Feed, and jf2 feeds. More on this here: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/13/indieweb-search-pages-are-feeds/
# Loqi ok, I added "All search feeds come marked up as h-feeds and have accompanying alternate RSS, JSON Feed, and jf2 feeds. More on this here: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/13/indieweb-search-pages-are-feeds/" to the "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Search https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79235&oldid=79233
# capjamesg[d] What is open graph?
# Loqi The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed and controlled by Facebook for expressing the primary subject of an HTML page in custom <meta> tags for the purpose of Facebook showing link previews; in practice only a couple are even sometimes necessary for that use-case, and you can use existing open standards instead https://indieweb.org/open_graph
# tantek.com edited /emoji (+185) "collapse articles & history, new Implementing section" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] open graph << A tutorial on how Zach Leatherman generates custom open graph images for his site: https://www.zachleat.com/web/automatic-opengraph/
# Loqi ok, I added "A tutorial on how Zach Leatherman generates custom open graph images for his site: https://www.zachleat.com/web/automatic-opengraph/" to the "See Also" section of /The-Open-Graph-protocol https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79237&oldid=76166
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# capjamesg[d] What is a manifest?
# Loqi A manifest or app manifest is a file that provides information about a web app, like name, description, icons, developer/author https://indieweb.org/manifest
# capjamesg[d] manifest << A deep dive into how to make a manifest.json file: https://web.dev/add-manifest/
# Loqi ok, I added "A deep dive into how to make a manifest.json file: https://web.dev/add-manifest/" to the "See Also" section of /manifest https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79238&oldid=9600
# kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-popups (+182) "update from https://events.indieweb.org/tag/popup" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] I forgot about that pop up! I’m excited!
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@AGWilsonn ↩️ If you took away the timeline, I wonder if we would be more conscious to incorporate each others work, not only to build and respond but also to make our writing visible by adding to those conversations more thoughtfully. Indieweb has great protocols for this. (twitter.com/_/status/1484636632913432584)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
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boffosocko.com created /2022/Pop-ups/Personal_Libraries (+11040) "create; definition; moved data over from planning page" (view diff)
# Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "Feb 19, 2022 9:00am Personal Libraries Pop Up Session" changed website "link to wiki page about the event" https://events.indieweb.org/event/332/history/1001/diff
# boffosocko.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/Sessions () "(-4562) move planning of Personal Libraries to its own page; left stub" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /IndieWeb_Search (+25) "incorporate See Also items into Features section, separate out developer features" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /image_proxy (+6) "/* Implementations */ Open Source, note one has been archived" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 capjamesg[d], I separated out the user-facing vs developer / API features a bit in https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Search#Features — hope that’s ok, and obviously feel free to update if I got any details wrong
# tantek.com edited /link_in_bio (+264) "why a single link can work better, specific use-cases for collecting related links" (view diff)
# [chrisaldrich]1 busy day here in #indieweb-meta land...
# [chrisaldrich]1 tantek++ cappamesg[d]++
# [tantek]1 [chrisaldrich] it's a race against the block
# lameach.com created /User:Lameach.com (+322) "Created page with "{{Infobox person |name = Dan Botvinnikov |url = https://lameach.com |photo_url = https://lameach.com/img/Avatar.390e4f8b.png |pronouns = |summary = Dan Botvinnikov (know also..."" (view diff)
# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html
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@tchambers This week in IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html (twitter.com/_/status/1484665674446299141)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-01-21.html (twitter.com/_/status/1484665872648007681)