#meta 2022-03-18
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@Cambridgeport90 Thanks @swentel for the #Drupal Module assist... I thought I was going to have to hunt the markdown module down separately. I guess it's a dependency on #Indieweb, then? Awesome. (twitter.com/_/status/1504638197225164802)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@serdar ↩️ A real shame for what it’s now become, I’ve stopped uploading a while ago and stopped paying when they doubled the price - I wasn’t getting any value out of it. I need to #indieweb my photos though (twitter.com/_/status/1504682044634279938)
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@jeremysarber @peeke__ Regarding https://peeke.nl/implementing-webmentions, I barely know what I'm doing with this IndieWeb stuff. If my site sends webmentions and has a link to https://brid.gy/publish/twitter, why don't posts automatically publish to Twitter? What am I missing? (twitter.com/_/status/1504617523228073986)
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[jeremycherfas] Pick n Mix certainly gets the idea of choosing the things you like, and is in keeping with the cook what you eat metaphor. Pick and Build adds the notion of doing something with your choices.
# [jeremycherfas] I'm in London, and mask wearing is very patchy, even on public transport where there are plentiful signs encouraging it. No bad vibes though in either direction, as far as I can see.
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# @Cambridgeport90 I think I did something weird somehow while installing the #Indieweb module. I'm going to be setting up activityPub, too, though I don't want to do anything until all errors are dealt with; get one on the basic site settings page, and one on the extend page... so far. (twitter.com/_/status/1504799792873975812)
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# @Cambridgeport90 Liked on YouTube: How to configure IndieWeb Drupal module? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3tZXkhsiWU (twitter.com/_/status/1504845609936769024)
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# @Cambridgeport90 Liked on YouTube: Implement Indieweb on Drupal website https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxP8LzwFak (twitter.com/_/status/1504862048999596032)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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capjamesg[d] It's newsletter day!
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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[tantek] btw this is the kind of display I was talking about for displaying an IndieMark, try this in your browser (needs JS) http://rng.io/
# [tantek] IndieMark << Brainstorming: make a visualization like [http://rng.io/ RingMark] (see [https://web.archive.org/web/20120606211709/https://developers.facebook.com/html5/blog/post/2012/04/03/ringmark-is-now-open-source/ archived blog post about open sourcing it]), https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2012/05/01/w3c-and-ringmark-updates/ ,
# Loqi ok, I added "Brainstorming: make a visualization like [http://rng.io/ RingMark] (see [https://web.archive.org/web/20120606211709/https://developers.facebook.com/html5/blog/post/2012/04/03/ringmark-is-now-open-source/ archived blog post about open sourcing it]), https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2012/05/01/w3c-and-ringmark-updates/ ," to the "See Also" section of /IndieMark https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80182&oldid=80161
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# [tantek] tracydurnell[d] check out THIS visualization that is merely "about" RingMark! I can totally imagine we could do something similar for a new and updated IndieMark based on all good things IndieWeb: https://visual.ly/community/Infographics/technology/idc-next-level-mobile-web
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tracydurnell[d] yeah, seems like!
# tracydurnell[d] I like having a "best for" summary / explanation
# Loqi [[Template:W3C_standards]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W3C_standards&diff=1077891967&oldid=prev Uzume: +Web Components and initiative of the Web Incubator Community Group (WICG), the largest community group of the W3C
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+278) "dfn in-progress and rm gen refs, warning first visitors, update warning about not a measure of is your site indieweb (yet), visualization of RingMark context" (view diff)
# Loqi IndieMark is an in-progress set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site, and a step-by-step approach to incrementally building IndieWeb features for your site, and as such is currently written for folks who are comfortable with web development https://indieweb.org/IndieMark
# tracydurnell[d] nothing like a deadline 😉
# Loqi [Event Updated] tracydurnell.com updated "Mar 16, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed summary "add summary of discussion" https://events.indieweb.org/event/349/history/1042/diff
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+413) "/* Visualization like RingMark */ big infographic" (view diff)
# tracydurnell[d] on that infographic, following their style / layout, instead of "sample apps" you might list existing IndieWeb tools / protocols (basically a "see more" for what articles to read)
# tracydurnell[d] I think we could make a less dystopian looking visualization too 😉
# tracydurnell[d] interesting that they are "leveling down" where we talk about leveling up
# tracydurnell[d] lol
# tracydurnell[d] haha I am getting a 1984 vibe with the giant doom building beneath the dark sky and "bringing things into order"
# tracydurnell[d] hmm good point 🙂
# tracydurnell[d] it's good to think about metaphors -- at work my coworker pointed out we call stuff "roadmaps" even in sustainability where we're trying not to prioritize cars
# tracydurnell[d] I've seen people switch away from "parking lot" at meetings to "bike rack" 🙂
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[aciccarello] I dislike the term "parking lot" already
# [aciccarello] I was surprised when I head people use it at the current company we're working with.
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+411) "/* Brainstorming */ Visualization like pie slices" (view diff)
# tracydurnell[d] I still see it sometimes too, I suspect some people are more in tune with these kind of conversations and others are just like, "it's always been the parking lot"
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+203) "/* Visualization like RingMark */ ringmark sample result" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+23) "/* Visualization like RingMark */ link to where the sample result came from" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+315) "/* Brainstorming */ copy Level 0 IndieMark brainstorm from HWC Pacific notes this week" (view diff)
# Loqi Typical use of the term roadmap does not refer to actual roads, maps, or maps of roads - instead, keep a personal priority ordered list of what you're specifically Working On, and for unsorted or vague desires, add them to an unordered Itches list, on your User page or your project's page https://indieweb.org/roadmap
# tracydurnell[d] ha, I didn't expect the wiki to have roadmap!
# tracydurnell[d] ok, you've inspired me, I'm going to pester my coworker to change the title of his roadmap to something better before Council officially adopts it 😉
# tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+209) "/* 2020 */ Implement Indieweb on Drupal website" (view diff)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# Loqi [[Template:W3C_standards]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W3C_standards&diff=1077902826&oldid=prev Uzume: +WebAssembly; both a WG and a CG
# [tantek] GWG, on Wednesday night you had expressed interest in improving the /IndieMark page, are you around for some edits/reviews?
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (-30) "copy edit intro, move some of it to a How to section" (view diff)
# [tantek] great, take a look for now: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&type=revision&diff=80192&oldid=80188
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# tantek.com created /events/2022-03-16-hwc-pacific (+1806) "recreate with proper stub/name from" (view diff)
# tantek.com deleted /events/2022-03-16-hwc-americas "was wrong page name"
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+243) "rename "web actions" to "Interactivity", reframe accordingly also, redo Level 0 and 1 according to defaults, leave 1 TBD, move others to "Possible", capture rough implementation levels" (view diff)
# [tantek] ^ GWG since you regularly ask about web actions, please take a look and see if this renaming / rewording makes sense to you: https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#interactivity
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (-206) "/* To Do */ clean-up, goals vs tasks, move other which was more like brainstorming" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (-345) "/* Level 2 web actions */ drop this since we don't have a clear Level 1 understanding, renaming to interactivity" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+180) "2022-03-09-hwc-pacific and 2022-03-02-hwc-pacific" (view diff)
# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html
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# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+133) "TBD to summary levels 2 and beyond, add a Level 0 per Brainstorming" (view diff)
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ragt.ag uploaded /File:indiemark-concentric-circles.png "A first attempt at rendering IndieMark axes/levels as concentric circles. https://indieweb.org/File:indiemark-concentric-circles.png"
# [aciccarello] For the syndication axis, I see level one has no requirement. What about some mention of manual syndication? Like "Manually syndicate at least one post to another site". Having links to syndicated content is nice UX, though probably doesn't need to be a requirement. I'm also thinking about micropub clients with optional syndication targets. That involves two axes but might be worth mentioning.
# [aciccarello] Oh, just realized "Links to POSSE copies" was part of interactivity
# [tantek] aciccarello, please feel free to create new subsections inside /IndieMark#Brainstorming about any axis or any level with ideas however vague or general or specific!
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-03-18.html (twitter.com/_/status/1504944496001257472)
# [tantek] ... which was more of the intent of the axis. Take a look and see if the updated rough description / ideas there make sense to you: https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#interactivity
# tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+295) "draft Level 0 based on GWG's write-up from HWC, and a few more links / specifics" (view diff)
# [tantek] Thanks GWG. Now take a look at the draft Level 0 based on what you wrote. I believe I kept the meaning we intended from HWC discussions: https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#Level_0
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@kevinmarks ↩️ It goes back further than that, though if you have good citations we have collected quite a few at https://indieweb.org/Web_3.0 (twitter.com/_/status/1504959183367684111)
# tantek.com edited /Planning (+44) "/* Berlin */ fix weekend after dates, add self to both sets of dates" (view diff)