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kvibber.com edited /User:Kvibber.com (+130) "update on revamping my website as a testcase for indieweb-in-11ty" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] looks like we've got some wiki editing to do!
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www.ciccarello.me edited /link_in_bio (+0) "/* Anthony Ciccarello */" (view diff)
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@club_manhattan_ ↩️ Lo que hemos hecho ha sido conectar nuestros espacios digitales / blogs / jardines a través del allmighty RSS: queremos que nuestro contenido sea nuestro (POSSE - https://indieweb.org/POSSE) pero además alimentar nuestros espacio comunes. Aquí la… https://masto.nobigtech.es/@clubmanhattan/108333914227604275 (twitter.com/_/status/1527605146758291458)
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jacky.wtf edited /question (+329) "/* {{JackyAlcine}}'s Approaches */ add notes about preferred approach" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /h-card (+124) "copy edit the why section to be briefer, more readable, prioritize reasons that are more common, don't repeat "allows" at beginning of each item, move brainstorming about pronouns to Brainstorming section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /h-card (-357) "/* How */ How to markup copy-editing, minimal not simple, use direct link, all person-links are @-mentions, use extra markup for a person-tag only if they're a/the subject of the post, remove mf1 hCard creator to avoid misleading folks" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /h-card (+565) "/* Brainstorming */ need h-card generator to replace the hCard generator" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+0) "move examples to unsorted" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+0) "move example to unsorted" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /short-domains (-24) "dfn copy edit a bit, particular short domain analysis at ccTLD" (view diff)
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@t73fde ↩️ Was es nicht alles gibt. Nee, brauche ich nicht. Ist für mich eher ein weiterer Anlass, ins #indieweb zu gehen. Dafür gönne ich mir lieber einen Espresso, oder zwei ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1527699120877617152)
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tantek.com edited /short-domains (-4) "-140" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /short-domains (+473) "Why / Shortlinks on slides" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+32) "move see also tweets to their own section, chipping away at See Also to clean it up" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /link_in_bio (-5) "copy edit dfn, silos usually allow only one link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /week_note (+46) "why / look back on a summary of the week" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2022/Düsseldorf () "(-2669) was, comment out tickets, remove old commented out code from 2021" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:indiewebcamps-timeline (+206) "+2022 / Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /cities (+69) "Barnsley no longer seems active, their event permalink is gone too" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /cities (+28) "MV hasn't had an HWC in a while, no one from there active in the community currently" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /cities (+17) "a few former HWC cities that need pages" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /cities (+17) "/* All Cities */ +Bellingham IWC 2017 or earlier, sort" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+91) "+05/18" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /events/2022-05-18-hwc-pacific (+2452) "archive etherpad" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+409) "May anniversaries, mf2 proposed, indie web term" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /scope (-1) "/* Scoped by Post Types = */ fix typo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+886) "June anniversaries, first webmention comments, mf org launched, POSSE, first IWC, first Indie event + RSVPs" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+362) "July, 04 indieweb.org site launched (as rename/expansion of indiewebcamp.com), IndieWeb term/community refined as based on principles" (view diff)
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Loqi [New Event] tracydurnell.com created "Jun 1, 2022 6:00pm Guiding Compass Homebrew Website Club" https://events.indieweb.org/yxytuwTQwgxj
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+179) "August anniversary, XFN rel=me, anything else especially significant happen/get introduce in August?" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok that should do it
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+190) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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loqi.me created /expired_posts (+49) "prompted by jacky and redirect added by jacky" (view diff)
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[tantek] hmm what does the contrachrome entry on IndieNews have to do with IndieWeb?
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Loqi [fluffy] has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (30 in all channels)
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[tantek] [fluffy]++ that "piled on" comic entry is a great illustration (in multiple senses) of the problems of "cancel culture" as it impacts "ordinary" (non-celebrity) people
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[fluffy] I submitted contrachrome because of the whole browser engine monopoly thing and it being a call to arms to use Firefox. Feel free to delete it if you don’t see the relevance.
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jacky contrachrome++
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Loqi contrachrome has 1 karma over the last year
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[fluffy] Also I don’t know why the webmentions didn’t go through when I’d first submitted them.
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[tantek] [fluffy] ah, I read through only a couple of pages and lost interest when it didn't seem like the story was going anywhere interesting
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[tantek] thanks for clarifying
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[fluffy] Yeah it’s a remix of Scott McCloud’s “introducing chrome” comic from back when Chrome first launched and was the nimble upstart that was going to break the IE stranglehold on the web.
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[tantek] also I'm reading it without JS so maybe that was part of the (broken?) experience? or I just lacked the attention span to click through multiple pages to get a "point"
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jacky.wtf edited /Micropub-extensions (+26) "/* Implementations */ add implementations" (view diff)
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[fluffy] I don’t believe it requires JS. It’s presented in the same way as the original comic, with a very typical webcomic presentation.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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[tantek] there's some weird characters that show up that link to next pages, maybe due to missing fonts?
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[tantek] Perhaps we need to start considering splitting IndieNews between actual content folks syndicate to IndieNews vs bookmarks of other stuff without context
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+24) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */ slight grammar edit to correct what seemed like mismatch of comma clauses" (view diff)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] ^ please review 🙂
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[tantek] (actually anyone who has an opinion about the text copy on the home page 🙂 )
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I vote don't use the word praxis
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> also stylistically I would say that's too many ampersands in one sentence 🙂
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> (despite being a lover of ampersands)
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I would say with the addition of the colon you could then turn those three points into bullet points for easier scannability, though there are then the key bullet points below 🤷‍♀️
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I think I like the change from individual to "independent and"
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[chrisaldrich] I've got the same issue with praxis (did you just read an academic journal article or something? 😉 ) and the ampersands, but I know we're trying to cram a lot into a single tweetable sentence here. That said, it's best to let it stew for a few minutes with some additional re-readings.
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[tantek] ok dropping praxis (word) 🙂
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> (instead of praxis maybe practice or process?)
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> (then you still get the alliteration 😉 )
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-9) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */ save the praxis for later" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] let's be clear, I love "praxis", but on the front of being welcoming...
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[tantek] yup, agreed 100%
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[tantek] tracydurnell, yeah the use of a prose "paragraph" then a list, helps appeal to both people who are drawn to one *or* the other
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[tantek] making everything a list puts off people who think in / read prose better, and making everything prose puts off people who hate wall of text
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> 🙂 👍
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I love the thoughtfulness
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[chrisaldrich] I do like the idea of including (actual) "practice", which has always been a watchword of the community, there instead of just "principle". Do/Show >> talk.
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[chrisaldrich] back in a bit...
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-6) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */ put read more inline again" (view diff)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] I agree, however I'm also leaning towards tracydurnell
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[tantek] 's concern of too many & in one sentence
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> question about another thing on the homepage: I don't get what "selfdogfood instead of email" means -- subbing in 'use what you make,' that concept doesn't conflict with email -- but this may be a comparison that developers get?
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> the rest of that bullet point makes sense to me, but is there something specific about email I'm missing, or is email a metaphor for something else? 😉
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html
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[tantek] tracydurnell, thanks for that catch, on two parts
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[tantek] one, we need to replace "selfdogfood" on the homepage with "use what you make" (which itself is a page that needs to be created instead of its redirect to the "eat what you cook" metaphor)
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[tantek] two, the point that's being made there is to use your own site to publish long form text content instead of emailing
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[tantek] "blog instead of email" might be better, except it sounds dated
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[tantek] it's supposed to be a summary for the rest of that list item
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[tantek] what is make what you need
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Loqi Make what you need is an IndieWeb principle that helps creators focus on creating & publishing things prioritized by what they need & want for their own personal site https://indieweb.org/make_what_you_need
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[tantek] I can fix that at least
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+54) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */ update second point in Beyond Blogging and Decentralization, replace selfdogfood / scratch itch with subsequent better / more inclusive phrases" (view diff)
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[tantek] tracydurnell ^ take a look, does that make more sense?
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-05-20.html (twitter.com/_/status/1527774936453943296)
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