#meta 2022-06-02

2022-06-02 UTC
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gRegor I got prompted for a 2FA code trying to sign in to Zoom for HWC tonight
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gRegor aaronpk?
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gRegor Odd that's the first time I've been prompted for 2FA
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IWDiscordGateway <marksuth> there doesn't appear to be a zoom link on the event page either
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gRegor It only goes on there when we start up the meeting
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gRegor [schmarty], [tantek], [KevinMarks]: anyone have access to zoom@indieweb.org for 2FA codes? Or can you try to log in and start up Zoom for the meetup? I can join and host so you don't have to stay on.
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angelo gRegor can you start the zoom?
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gRegor See scrollback
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gRegor Stuck on 2FA. Hopefully it works for GWG
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angelo oh i see
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GWG We have two factor?
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GWG When did that happen?
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GWG I am getting it also. Those emails go to aaronpk, I can't fix it
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angelo we can just use standard zoom in one hour blocks?
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GWG I have a paid account with the people at Meet. I could spin up a meet room and advertise it.
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angelo do i have to install something?
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GWG IO don't think so
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gRegor Google Meet? that works in browser
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angelo sure, we can try it
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Hollie Any free Zoom account works for 40 minute blocks.
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Loqi [Event Updated] david.shanske.com updated "Jun 1, 2022 6:00pm Guiding Compass Homebrew Website Club" changed meeting_url https://events.indieweb.org/event/373/history/1089/diff
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GWG I added it to the event
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GWG meet.google.com/dop-tmbh-mdp
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angelo let's zoom it?
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Jun 18, 2022 9:00am Galactic Bonus Homebrew Website Club" https://events.indieweb.org/d9bsfkfPjIZD
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Jun 8, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/owCarpH6iL4Y
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+190) "+05/25, 06/01, compass icon for Guiding Compass HWC" (view diff)
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GWG !tell aaronpk We had a 2FA email issue getting into the Zoom tonight.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk :sigh:
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aaronpk is zoom cracking down on sharing accounts?
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gregorlove.com created /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox/chat-user (+779) "experiment with named parameters" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: It said that it was an unrecognized device and an email was sent to zoom@indieweb.org with a code
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aaronpk one thing i could do is add HWC organizers to that email alias
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GWG That's what I was going to ask.
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GWG aaronpk: https://community.zoom.com/t5/Meetings/How-to-disable-login-verification-code/m-p/37627
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aaronpk thankfully at least we already have the zoom@ email
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aaronpk oh interesting
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GWG At the least, could you add me to the alias? And I'd imagine gRegor who was trying as well.
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aaronpk yeah i'll add you both for now
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aaronpk done
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GWG Thanks
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+714) "testing chat-user template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox/chat-user (+341) "update test template with some docs. feedback welcome!" (view diff)
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gRegor Like the edit comment says, feedback welcome on https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox/chat-user
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gRegor I was thinking it would be nice if we could take the full website URL to and build the wiki User: page link with string replacement, but looks like we'd need some additional MediaWiki extensions
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gRegor That's why the directions are "your website without the http://", because the template concats "[User:" + website "]"
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gRegor We could add a parameter for the user page, but seems to be unnecessary complexity for users
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gRegor For string replacement looks like we'd need https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto (not necessarily suggesting it, just noting it)
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@CrowderSoup I made this #IndieWeb proof-of-concept for my own website using @vercel serverless functions: https://github.com/CrowderSoup/indieweb-proof-of-concept I built this to explore how I could create WebMention and Micropub endpoints that would create files in the GitHub repo which then become content for the site. (twitter.com/_/status/1532228674727997440)
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gregorlove.com edited /chat-names (+64) "/* Nicknames */ add 5 subsections to make editing a *bit* easier. some nicknames still need to be alpha sorted" (view diff)
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@Mike_Andreuzza is an open-source project and hosted service for receiving webmentions and pingbacks on behalf of your indieweb site. https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1532269473138343937)
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@BryanAlexander ↩️ "the indieweb is the future" @wiobyrne #FTTE (twitter.com/_/status/1532434376956465176)
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@holliebutler Nothing works on my IndieWeb site https://teaandbook.net/nothing-works-on-my-indieweb-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/1532466397225242624)
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jacky ^ super valid concerns
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[tantek] also note, this is typical for new folks aspiring to IndieWeb values using WordPress
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[tantek] using the analogy in the post, using WordPress means signing up to forever be a WordPress-mechanic
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aaronpk ☝️
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AramZ-S[m] I enjoy and have spent a long time developign for Wordpress, but I find that is often the result of using WordPress for anything
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AramZ-S[m] Outside of VERY basic use
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[tantek] yeah
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AramZ-S[m] It's one of the reasons I'm moving more and more towards static site generation tools. I know it's hacky and very focused on devs-as-users, but I find I spend a lot less time doing maintence then I do on WordPress sites :/
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[tantek] there's definitely a pattern of self-hosted WordPress to static site generation
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[tantek] AramZ-S[m], more in #indieweb-dev if you want to chat about moving over to SSG solutions
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[chrisaldrich] I'll agree with some of that pattern tantek, but I also see some of it as "shiny object syndrome" too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiny_object_syndrome
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[chrisaldrich] "*There are people you can talk to about it*, and I can’t stress this enough: this at least has been a _great_ experience." warmed my heart
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[chrisaldrich] Community++
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AramZ-S[m] Yeah, I'm not down on WordPress at all, and it has a lot more options in terms of things you can do b/c the server is active instead of static but it def has its frustrations
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[tantek] ^ indeed, that's why we have gotten as far as we have over the past 10+ years, and have a chance at moving further in the next 10, unlike all the "decentralized" or "indie" projects/companies that we've seen make a lot of noise/tweets/press and implode/fade away
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AramZ-S[m] Yup, can't underestimate the value of community and community experiance, especially with something like WordPress
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AramZ-S[m] But no reason not to build up some of that for SSGs as well
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AramZ-S[m] And, I'm just a little burnt out on WordPress anyway, so why not new stuff!
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[chrisaldrich] plurality++
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AramZ-S[m] (This is not a comment on WordPress's quality to be clear, just I spent years working 80hr weeks of nothing but WP and needed to do something else for a while)
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[tantek] oof that's a lot
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[chrisaldrich] AramZ-S++ for "Press(ing)Forward" 😁
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AramZ-S[m] Yeah, not recommended. Haha yeah. I have a queue of PressForward changes I want to make actually, even though there is no longer an offical budget for it, but it's waiting on some other projects and for my WordPress brain to "heal" a bit.
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GWG You wrote PressForward? Didn't connect it till now
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AramZ-S[m] Yup, not alone, but def most of it.
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[tantek] AramZ-S[m]++
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[chrisaldrich] I think I once suggested GWG make modifications to PressForward to make it a microsub reader. :zany_face:
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GWG I threw myself in with jackjamieson
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AramZ-S[m] I mean, the reading interface sort of already is a reader.
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AramZ-S[m] One of the big use cases it serves is actuaslly small community shared reading experiances, we have a bunch of sites that use PressForward that way, where it's basically a tiny social network working in a single WordPress site around community reading, commenting and review.
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@brianleroux indieweb is delightfully chaotic. there are some very well baked specs (like indieauth) and some very grassroots things (like the nascent microformat h-app) … and because its federated you can sort of take it in whatever direction makes sense for *you*. (twitter.com/_/status/1532481969740623872)
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gRegor Bumping while more people are actually on: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2022-06-02#t1654145849124700
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[tantek] gRegor, why is "User:" better than "http:" or "https:"? at least with the latter two it's a copy/paste of your personal site URL
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gRegor The chat-user template links two places, your domain and your wiki user page.
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gRegor I didn't change that aspect, but open to ideas
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gRegor (I just updated my sandbox page with a brief description that wasn't there before)
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gRegor I agree, just pasting your URL in seems ideal. But if we want to continue linking to the wiki User: page too, then I think we'd need another parameter for that.
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[tantek] right, since wikipedia template syntax doesn't have full string manipulation functions lol
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