#meta 2022-08-11

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GWG Put the room on
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GWG Just unloading the car from the trip.
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Aug 10, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/PVYX03TKHEkY
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Loqi [Event Updated] david.shanske.com updated "Aug 17, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed start_date https://events.indieweb.org/event/397/history/1135/diff
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+186) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /rel-home (+234) (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Sep 18, 2022 9:00am IndieWeb Create Day" https://events.indieweb.org/Z83vtaxMMtc0
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david.shanske.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/Sessions (+74) "/* Interest */" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-popups (+153) "update from https://events.indieweb.org/tag/popup" (view diff)
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/01/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-XueKi4mitTMM events/2022-01-12-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2022-01-12-hwc-europe (+1095) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-01-12. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/01/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2022-01-12-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-MNGPiHw1cfTL events/2021-03-09-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-03-09-hwc-europe (+1880) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-03-09. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/03/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-03-09-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/04/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-3NkTGlAWWdnC events/2022-04-06-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2022-04-06-hwc-europe (+902) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-04-06. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/04/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2022-04-06-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/12/festive-website-club-europe-london--y5ai405ZbhVl events/2021-12-08-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-12-08-hwc-europe (+944) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Festive Website Club Europe/London 🎄🎁</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-12-08. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/12/festive-website-club..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-12-08-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/11/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-AiMggdjgxGvS events/2021-11-10-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-11-10-hwc-europe (+1296) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-11-10. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/11/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-11-10-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/10/haunted-website-club-europe-london--cjAjChIinyiP events/2021-10-27-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-10-27-hwc-europe (+1964) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Haunted Website Club Europe/London 🎃👻</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-10-27. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/10/haunted-website-club..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-10-27-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/10/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-zECJrNSG4bk2 events/2021-10-13-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-10-13-hwc-europe (+1556) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-10-13. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/10/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-10-13-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/07/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-4hVJIIuSGrDD events/2021-07-21-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-07-21-hwc-europe (+985) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-07-21. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/07/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-07-21-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/06/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-0V3Q9n4AzeGy events/2021-06-09-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-06-09-hwc-europe (+942) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-06-09. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/06/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-06-09-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/06/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-5th-anniversary-edition--dYmiIeiWsuRz events/2021-06-23-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-06-23-hwc-europe (+1126) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London (5th Anniversary edition)</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-06-23. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/06/ho..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-06-23-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-ifLXpB2l4d4c events/2021-05-12-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-05-12-hwc-europe (+1272) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-05-12. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-05-12-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-5yxpuuPQ4JaA events/2021-05-26-hwc-europe
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-05-26-hwc-europe (+930) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club Europe/London</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-05-26. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/homebrew-website-club-europe..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2021-05-26-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/migrating-off-freenode-UWf9sjpkSqet events/2021-05-26-freenode-migration
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2021-05-26-freenode-migration (+2709) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Migrating Off Freenode</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2021-05-26. * https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/migrating-off-freenode-UWf9sjpkSqet * Wh..."" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+359) "/* Beforehand */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+37) "/* Running the event */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+2) "/* Setting up the meeting room */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+320) "/* How to Organize Virtual Events */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /User:Cali.jamesg.blog (+397) "Document new Cali commands" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Etherpad (+995) "/* Archiving IndieWebCamp notes */" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Aug 10, 2022 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "Add Etherpad section" https://events.indieweb.org/event/395/history/1137/diff
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jamesg.blog moved /events/2022-06-15-homebrew-website-club-europe-london to /events/2022-06-15-hwc-europe "Standardise hwc-europe slugs"
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jamesg.blog moved /events/2022-05-18-homebrew-website-club-europe-london to /events/2022-05-18-hwc-europe "Standardise hwc-europe slugs"
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jamesg.blog moved /events/2022-08-10-homebrew-website-club-europe-london to /events/2022-08-10-hwc-europe "Standardise hwc-europe slugs"
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-349) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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aaronpk for news.indieweb.org, who should be allowed to delete posts? same policy as the wiki and events? anyone who logs in?
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[tantek] maybe some sort of minimal moderation queue that still allows posts to show up here, and perhaps when you’re "logged in" to IndieNews, but not "public" (until 2+ folks have "approved" a post maybe?)
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aaronpk i hadn't considered flipping it to moderation before things appear on the site
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[tantek] it feels "easier" (less politeness burden) for the community frankly
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aaronpk true
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[tantek] rather than someone complaining hey why/who deleted my post
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gRegor Maybe an allowlist for previously-approved domains
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aaronpk the approval could be for the domain
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[tantek] maybe? I mean there's enough of us in chat that see the IndieNews posts that a "simple" 2+ upvote threshold might be enough
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gRegor e.g. a previously approved post from aaronpk.com, so new posts from there auto-approved
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[tantek] also it would help mitigate unintended syndication automation errors by default
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gRegor agreed, my idea is a yes-and
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[tantek] why is it any different that the 2+ approvals for retweets from @IndieWebCamp?
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aaronpk i don't think we've had instances of accidental syndication after someone has intentionally syndicated a post
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[tantek] I feel like we had one or two of those
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[tantek] they flipped a setting to "make IndieNews work", posted something IndieWeb relevant, then much later posted something not IndieWeb but the setting was a global syndication destination (a la Twitter POSSE) so it errantly posted again
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[tantek] we also have similar thresholds for # of wiki edits before an edited page shows up in the newsletter
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aaronpk hm true
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aaronpk is that a newsletter threshold or showing up on news.indieweb.org threshold tho
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[tantek] I feel like it could be a "showing up on the homepage of indienews" threshold vs. an "all" list that could be more comprehensive
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[tantek] the typical "reader" of the home page would benefit from some degree of filtering/curation, and the few folks that want to "see *everything*" (perhaps to help upvote etc.) can go to a separate page for that
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[tantek] in this regard, the newsletter is "just" a snapshot in time of what should be "public" anyway, so I think the "smarts" belong upstream at IndieNews
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aaronpk hmm this is rapidly growing in scope
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gRegor heh
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gRegor I like 2+ chat approvals to appear as an mvp
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[tantek] !news
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[tantek] similar to !rt
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> +1 on that idea.
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gRegor one more vote and it's implemented, hehe
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jamesg.blog moved /User:Cali.jamesg.blog to /User:Cali "Make sure Cali has a wiki page rather than user page"
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jamesg.blog edited /Cali (+943) "Add Cali page contents" (view diff)
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capjamesg :D
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jamesg.blog edited /Special:Log/move () "moved [[User:Cali]] to [[User:Cali.jamesg.blog]] over redirect: Move back to user page" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Special:Log/delete () "Jamesg.blog deleted redirect [[User:Cali.jamesg.blog]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[User:Cali]]"" (view diff)
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/08/homebrew-website-club-pacific-jQhsbiyrRoYT 2022-08-10-hwc-pacific
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cali.jamesg.blog created /2022-08-10-hwc-pacific (+1504) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club - Pacific</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-08-10. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/08/homebrew-website-club-pacific-jQ..."" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/2022-08-10-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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gRegor capjamesg++ so cool!
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Loqi capjamesg has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (93 in all channels)
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gregorlove.com edited /2022-08-10-hwc-pacific (-177) "formatting" (view diff)
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[tantek] do we have enough /robots that we should have a Category:robot for their pages?
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gregorlove.com moved /2022-08-10-hwc-pacific to /events/2022-08-10-hwc-pacific "forgot /events in path"
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+127) "8/10 hwc london and pacific" (view diff)
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gRegor capjamesg, I used the emoji from /London linking the event notes on https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club
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gregorlove.com edited /Webmention-developer (+54) "/* Handling */ subheadings to group by programming language / server" (view diff)
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capjamesg [tantek] Good call.
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capjamesg I can create it?
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capjamesg gRegor I'd love your feedback. I tried to make the code general enough that it would be tolerant of any Etherpad's contents (i.e. not looking for --- delimiters).
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gRegor capjamesg, only small thing I noticed is "was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom" as the template, but that's fine for the foreseeable future of HWC meetups. Would just make small tweaks for IWC sessions if/when those happen again
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gRegor But as-is it will make archiving a grid of IWC sessions much faster
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[tantek] we don't have a how to about using and creating Category: pages, perhaps we could use that
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jamesg.blog edited /Loqi (+19) "Add Bots category" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog created /Category:Bots (+0) "Create category page for bots" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net (+19) (view diff)
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capjamesg [tantek] https://indieweb.org/Category:Bots
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capjamesg To create the category page I added [[Category:Bots]] to a page, opened the red link, then saved it as a blank page.
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[tantek] except they're not plural when applied to each page
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capjamesg The saving as a blank page isn't very intuitive because you have to say "save" twice as the text box for the page is blank.
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[tantek] what is our existing naming of categories?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "our existing naming of categories" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "our existing naming of categories is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] lol
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capjamesg [[Category:Bot]] more appropriate?
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capjamesg Haha.
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capjamesg https://indieweb.org/Special:Categories
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[tantek] I'm not sure if we have a convention or not
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capjamesg We have Events
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capjamesg Diagrams
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[tantek] gRegor? [chrisaldrich]? and preferences here?
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aaronpk I think plural is our convention
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capjamesg Sessions
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[tantek] could also check what Wikipedia does as prior naming convention
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capjamesg ++
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[aciccarello] I'm thinking about creating a Spanish language specific "Posts about the IndieWeb" page 🤔
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sknebel that sounds like an excellent idea to collect language-specific content
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[tantek] aciccarello, start here: https://indieweb.org/#Translations 🙂
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I was looking at https://indieweb.org/how-to-start-new-translation and I don't see any recommendations on how to highlight pages in other languages.
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[aciccarello] Currently Spanish only has the main page. Essentially all the links on that page go to english language pages. If a Spanish speaker goes to that page there's nothing to indicate what links are available in their language.
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[aciccarello] Conversely, I don't see any recommendation on how to link between languages. For example, I don't see a link from /principles to /principles-fr
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[aciccarello] I know wikipedia has ways to list page translations in the sidebar.
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sknebel hm, at least for high-profile pages like that we should probably have links
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sknebel on the page
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[aciccarello] I'm surprised the translated pages aren't categorized or searchable by something. Maybe they are and my mediawiki skills are limited.
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gRegor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking#Interlanguage_links
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gRegor It looks like wikipedia is using the wiki families to link same pages across wikis in sidebar
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sknebel and wikidata nowadays
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gRegor Not sure if the interlanguage links will work for us since we've usually suffixed the lang in the page name instead of prefix like "es:page"
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gRegor but haven't read that doc in depth
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sknebel interwiki links are really between different wikis, not just prefixes afaik?
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sknebel so doesnt apply either way
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sknebel putting non-english pages in a category for their language might be an easy start
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gRegor terminology is confusing, interlanguage appears to be using different wikis configured on subdomains
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sknebel yeah, its a generic thing they also use for languages
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sknebel and again, afaik nowadays languages on wikipedia go through wikidata
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sknebel so something else entirely, specific to wikipedia et al