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@hammyhavoc ↩️ I absolutely love all the smallweb/IndieWeb stuff. Wish there was far more of it. The good old days of when sites were run for fun instead of profit. (twitter.com/_/status/1558604403443130369)
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@mrsmckhaos Over $30,000 a month indie web developers | Software Engineers | Shopify App | http://GameBall.co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw8WutLKu-s #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1558604365858050048)
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@aperalesf ↩️ I'm a user without technical knowlage, and I was learning about IndieWeb. Just seeing the number of plugins I have to install, whose functionalities I don't understand, I thought it it wasn't worth the effort. Your blogpost confirms my suspicions. Thanks. (twitter.com/_/status/1558605698111528961)
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[tantek] ^ both WordPress users from what I can tell, and note the issue with the number of plugins
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GWG That's because they see the Indieweb as something you can install.
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[tantek] and they are starting from an assumption of WordPress
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GWG Yes, where you install multiple plugins to get the experience you want
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@n0v0id Will the #IndieWeb Ever Become Mainstream? https://kevq.uk/will-the-indieweb-ever-become-mainstream/ "Overall I think the IndieWeb is a great idea on the surface, but it has been poorly implemented. Unless something drastic changes with the fundamental makeup of the… https://graz.social/@publicvoit/108820290137332539 (twitter.com/_/status/1558733613541343233)
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[tantek] GWG, multiple plugins probably make some amount of sense. But not 7.
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@xwolf ↩️ Hallo @siteimprove, hat euer Berliner Büro vielleicht eine Idee? (twitter.com/_/status/1558761798110781441)
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@2ndKauBoy ↩️ Mit wie vielen Personen ist denn zu rechnen und wie viele Räume werden gleichzeitig benötigt? (twitter.com/_/status/1558764033641267203)
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@stkjj @2ndKauBoy hast du ggf. 'nen Tipp im Köcher? (twitter.com/_/status/1558763544241381377)
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@jkphl ↩️ Angesichts Pandemie und Kurzfristigkeit wären 20 Anwesende schon erstaunlich (so viele etwa waren wir im Mai). 2-3 getrennte Bereiche für Sessions wären phänomenal, aber wir arrangieren uns auch gerne mit allem anderen. Hast du eine Idee? (twitter.com/_/status/1558785531206864896)
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@jkphl ↩️ Budget steht uns leider keines zur Verfügung, wir wären auf einen Location-Sponsor angewiesen. Die Eatery wäre für das Format eh eher etwas schwierig, meine ich. Aber ich werde die anderen beiden Tipps mal auschecken. Danke! (twitter.com/_/status/1558788714050224128)
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@2ndKauBoy ↩️ @jkphl @IndieWebCampDE @btconf @t @marcthiele Ich hätte spontan die Digital Eatery vorgeschlagen, aber die scheint… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558786781251870721 (twitter.com/_/status/1558786781251870721)
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@jkphl ↩️ danke! (twitter.com/_/status/1558789658259394560)
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@2ndKauBoy ↩️ In der c-base konnten wir kostenlos zum @TranslateWP arbeiten. Vielleicht sponsorn sie auch eure Veranstaltung. Ist ein netter kleiner Hacker-Space. Etwas rustikal, aber sehr authentisch :) (twitter.com/_/status/1558789304444456961)
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GWG [tantek]: I think it is a matter of presentation, but I still want to eliminate one
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[tantek] I think the key is reducing them down to only user-sensible “chunks” of functionality rather than drawing lines/boundaries around plumbing & protocols
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[tantek] I heard from jkphl that he thinks it's likely he'll get a venue for IWC Berlin sept 3-4. cc: capjamesg, sknebel
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capjamesg Ah, cool [tantek]!
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capjamesg I would only be able to attend on the 3rd as I return home on the 4th but that would be amazing!
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[tantek] I don't know if I can attend at all yet but I'm trying to still help organize remotely
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sknebel [tantek]: oh nice! am going to check with my employer tomorrow too - our office is far from ideal, but could do in a pinch
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[tantek] Thanks sknebel. Definitely get directly in touch with jkphl eg via Twitter since he handling the venue
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capjamesg [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (81 in all channels)
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@aperalesf He estado unos días de frikeo informático absoluto. Generadores de sitios web estáticos, arreglar código de las entradas, buscar tema para el blog, weblogs en inglés, IndieWeb... creo que ya me toca centrarme en escribir y en ver series, que llevo días que no avanzo con nada. (twitter.com/_/status/1558836281190359041)
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@FaebornOfficial the #indieweb is not a waste of time,but a work in progress. It's all about the awesome user experiences without the clutter that some of the more mainstream social media outlets suffer from. We will get there. (twitter.com/_/status/1558853880858959873)
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@FaebornOfficial ↩️ A collection of protocols can be supported, but the issue right now is the focus on bolting the #Indieweb features into existing applications instead of creating new ones. (twitter.com/_/status/1558855759022153732)
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@FaebornOfficial ↩️ #indieweb folks, keep going; keep developing, answering questions, and overall, let's change the landscape to make it more palateable for the less technical. (twitter.com/_/status/1558855528238940162)
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[tantek] ^ good series of tweets
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jacky the source of the tweets came in response to https://kevq.uk/will-the-indieweb-ever-become-mainstream/
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jacky and this part is really exhausting to me: "Overall I think the IndieWeb is a great idea on the surface, but it has been poorly implemented."
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[KevinMarks] your better implementations will be welcomed with open arms
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[tantek] Jacky, the author of that post is purely expressing it in terms of already being down the WordPress path for their personal site, so you can add “… in WordPress” to nearly every sentence.
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jacky true - I wish I'd make that even more clear; I can see this being the type of piece being floated around
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GWG [tantek]: I liked this post https://css-tricks.com/de-mystifying-indieweb-on-a-wordpress-site/
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GWG jacky: I still want to talk popup
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barnaby I sensed murmurings about a possible IWC Berlin in September
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barnaby I’d probably be able to make it
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GWG barnaby: I have never been to one with you in attendance
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barnaby heh I doubt it’s much different, I’m small and quiet ;)
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barnaby are you planning on coming to Berlin? or participating remotely?
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GWG barnaby: I have been to 3 Berlin events, but it's not enough notice..I need a month
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GWG Remotely, 100% I'll be on
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janbrasna since i remember most of the features from back then (usually the famous SXSW launches in mid–2000ies…) i have a couple of date references for https://indieweb.org/silo#Silo_Innovations if anyone feels like getting rid of some of the question marks — for scrobbles and checkins respectively.
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janbrasna scrobble: was not exactly lastfm, but audioscrobbler before the merge, as per https://www.wired.com/2012/11/richard-jones-scrobbling/ dated NOV 20 2002
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janbrasna1 checkin: after dodgeball and only days after 4sq, there was this "gowalla" back in the day (later acquired by fb and folded into fb places): https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/gowalla-foursquare-and-the-very-brief-history-of-the-location-wars/ (good read btw, includes e. g. more from dodgeball history, dating it back to 2000(?)) launching ahead of SWSX in MAR 2009 (not 2007 as mentioned by wikipedia; both 4sq and gowalla launched
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janbrasna1 basically on the same day, for SXSW 2009)
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janbrasna1 i'm also wondering if something as "folksonomy" might be a silo innovation, from early 2000ies; my memory tends to remind me the social beginnings at flickr or del.icio.us for such tagging concepts…
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janbrasna1 oh, del.icio.us is actually referred to as the origin of modern day "tags" generally, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website)#History … so not just the social taxonomy like i thought before, but tagging as a concept.
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[tantek] barnaby, please add yourself to the /Planning#Berlin proposed dates accordingly! We need to get better counts for Joachim to estimate for participation / venue numbers
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barnaby will do
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jamesg.coffee edited /Planning (+126) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Done.
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[tantek] ty capjamesg!
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jamesg.coffee edited /Planning (+66) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+47) "/* Berlin */ +0 on both dates now, put jkphl at top of organizers since he's getting the venue" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Planning (+164) (view diff)
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@jkphl An @indiewebcamp Berlin on September 3rd & 4th seems more and more likely. @calum_ryan @adactio would you be up for joining in and helping me (and possibly @t) to host this one? I know it's on very short notice (and @dconstruct might be too close), but … (twitter.com/_/status/1558958506723909632)
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@IndieWebCampDE Die Planungen für ein #IndieWebCamp in Berlin am 3.-4. September nehmen Fahrt auf, dank großartigem Echo aus der Co… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1558957631553040384 (twitter.com/_/status/1558957631553040384)
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@BarnabyWalters ↩️ if the date is confirmed in the next few days (i.e. while I can still get reasonably priced train tickets) I’d be up for helping out (twitter.com/_/status/1558960260500623362)
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www.svenknebel.de posts edited /Planning (-36) "/* Berlin */ update $me" (view diff)