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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+812) "/* Speculative */ Mark Zuckerberg Is Going To Kill His Company" (view diff)
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific (+842) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club - Pacific</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-10-26. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi * When: 2022-10-26 * Archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/hwcpst-2022-10-26 Welcome to Etherpad! You've created a new document. We typically use Etherpad to take session notes during IndieWebCamp events. Please delete this welcome text above, and use the template..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor wait what, did that happen yet?
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gRegor lol, time traveling
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gRegor Brain thought it was Thursday
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[tantek] ok I'm a little annoyed by "hwcpst" being in the slug/name of the Etherpad
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[tantek] insert PST vs PDT rant here
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gRegor Comes from duplicating the event page on events.indieweb.org probably
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gRegor +1 for naming the etherpads like 2022-10-26-hwc-pacific, then can use the archive bot without specifying the slug
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[tantek] oh no how long has this "pst" during PDT error been propagating
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gRegor Since March at least, probably? haha
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gRegor It hasn't made it into the slugs on the /events* pages though
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gRegor I'll clean up that mistaken etherpad archive tonight^. Using it temporarily to play around with the /this-week generation
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tantek.com deleted /events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific "content was: " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club - Pacific</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-10-26. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi * When: 2022-10-26 * Archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/hwcpst-2022-10-26 Welcome to Etherpad! You've created a new document. We typically use Etherpad...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Cali.jamesg.blog|Cali.jamesg.blog]]" ([[User talk:Cali.jamesg.blog|talk]])"
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gRegor or not :D
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Oct 26, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "use an Etherpad name/slug like we expect to archive it, you know, like IWC etherpads & sessions" https://events.indieweb.org/event/417/history/1184/diff
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gRegor no worries
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[tantek] ah oops
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[tantek] well then allow me to risk further funtimes
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-10-26 10:18pm PDT (#6979)
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[tantek] 5 hours until !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific
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gRegor hahah
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[tantek] if that works, then you could add more for 1 week until, 2 weeks until etc. if you dare
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gRegor love it
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gRegor [tantek], first attempt grouping events notes: https://staging.gregorlove.com/indieweb/this-week/debug-this-week.html Next I'll try to sort them reverse chronological. Maybe anything older than a month or two should be in a simple <ul>, similar to wiki edits, so they don't take up as much space?
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[tantek] I think we can drop the created by line if it’s nearly always going to be Cali bot
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[tantek] Maybe cluster by name then list dates on a single line, where each date links to the archive notes?
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gRegor Name as in what's in the <dfn>, so Pacific and Europe would be clustered? Hm. I'll see.
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[tantek] Homebrew Website Club Europe/London: 2021-09-15, 2021-09-29, 2022-10-19, …
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[tantek] Homebrew Website Club - The Americas: 2021-09-01, …
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[tantek] Homebrew Website Club - Pacific: 2022-10-19, …
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gRegor gotcha
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[tantek] Where each of the YYYY-MM-DD dates would be linked to the respective archive
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gRegor The p-name is the URL path, though. Human friendly name is part of the p-summary: https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb.org%2Fevents%2F2022-10-19-hwc-pacific
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Loqi events/2022-10-19-hwc-pacific
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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GWG Speaking of Pacific.....
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[tantek] I copy pasted those “names” as literals from the newsletter sample you posted
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[tantek] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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gRegor It's the p-summary in the newsletter
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[tantek] when is HWC?
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GWG [tantek]: Right now?
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[tantek] I was hoping Loqi would answer with info and a link, either by matching event names of current / soonest, or if no event name matches, then looking it up as a tag like https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc and then answering with the current/soonest item there
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GWG Loqi has limits
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[tantek] still bugs me that the very bright green [ ▶ Live now ] indicator that looks like a button doesn't actually work as a button to play/join as it seems to indicate by the use of the play icon and green color
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[tantek] both in the tag view and in the event permalink view
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[tantek] I guarantee people are clicking on it in frustration
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gRegor Same. I have tried clicking that before.
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Nov 2, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/9Q6fI2CI6Kbl
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+153) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@jdp23 Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? Trying out the Mastodon cross-poster at https://crossposter.masto.donte.com.br I'm @jdp23@indieweb.social, aka https://indieweb.social/@jdp23 (twitter.com/_/status/1585468838791217152)
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@KatjaEvertz ↩️ Ihr findet mich auf Mastodon unter https://indieweb.social/@Katja (twitter.com/_/status/1585498239431761920)
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Loqi Countdown set by [tantek] on 2022-10-26 at 5:18pm PDT
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Loqi !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific (+2246) "Created page with " '''<dfn>Homebrew Website Club - Pacific</dfn>''' was an IndieWeb meetup on Zoom held on 2022-10-26. * https://events.indieweb.org/2022/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NxjohMMScOPi * When: 2022-10-26 * Archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific Homebrew Website Club - Pacific 2022-10-26 == Participants == * {{gRegor}} * {{tracydurnell}} * {{gwg}} * {{angelo}} * {{martymcguire}} * {{t}} == Notes == * https://ragt.ag/co..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] boom! cc gRegor
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[tantek] 1 week until !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2022/11/homebrew-website-club-pacific-9Q6fI2CI6Kbl events/2022-11-02-hwc-pacific
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-11-02 10:21pm PDT (#6981)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /petname (+401) "/* See Also */ +nicknames-cache, ref spritely UX paper" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /nicknames-cache (+14) "/* See Also */ +petname" (view diff)
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@ScottMadin anyway the IndieWeb folks are right and what we should all be doing is owning and controlling our own spaces online, which can interact with each other via well-defined open protocols https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1585638939914043397)
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@oschettler Organisations, please ingrain your values into your strategy. For example, it is not enough to optimize your social media presence. If you want to do unbiased work, independent of FAANG algorithms, invest in your own platform and establish https://indieweb.org/PESOS workflows (twitter.com/_/status/1585642735020953601)
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tantek.com edited /petname (+101) "fix dfn to not terminate at a '.', grammar, reword to express phone contacts as a common example, de-dupe phone/telphone wording, see also Wikipedia" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /petname to /pet_name "Wikipedia usage is a two word phrase for the general concept per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocorism (the single term appears to be a specific technical thing)"
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tantek.com edited /pet_name (+1) "two word phrase for the concept" (view diff)
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GWG I had fun last night with all the extra old timers.
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GWG Is that the best term for people who have been here a while
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GWG As my old contract used to say..."People who have grown old in the service of the community."
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@KimberlyHirsh ↩️ Other: my own website & http://Micro.blog. https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1585669410609676288)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Optional next step: Get indiewebified through the @indiewebcamp movement. (twitter.com/_/status/1585671584718721025)
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tantek.com edited /IPv6 (+106) "dfn needs indieweb relevance" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /IPv6 (+152) "[tantek] added "Blog that posts good analyses of IPv6: https://www.potaroo.net/ (feel free to find & add specific posts from that blog to this page)" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2022-10-26-hwc-pacific (-181) "cleanup" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+90) "10-26 HWC" (view diff)
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gRegor That's awesome, [tantek]
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[tantek] The /IPv6 article is a bit of an advocacy/dev-centric mess and it really needs clean-up to be something that's focused on being IndieWeb-relevant rather than an IPv6 advocacy page. Does anyone here care enough about IPv6 (and ideally have experience with setting up their site to support it) to help with that?
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /account_migration (+406) "Netflix profile transfer" (view diff)
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aaronpk heh i still haven't even set up my site with ipv6
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GWG I never understood why ipv6 is taking so long
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sknebel broken incentives
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sknebel and some design issues
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sknebel but IMHO the primary thing is the first
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@mauricerenck ↩️ Machen wir uns doch nichts vor, es wird trotz aller Datenschutzbedenken weiterhin fleißig alles von Meta genutzt, ähnlich verhält es sich mir TikTok. Alternativen wie Mastodon, oder das Indieweb konnten sich bisher nie durchsetzen. Gewinnen tun die, wo die größte Zielgruppe ist. (twitter.com/_/status/1585686768615030801)
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sknebel from the perspective of major networks, not having IPv6 was generally a problem for people that are not you, and additional cost and work for you
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gregorlove.com edited /Web_Authentication (+175) "+Implementations: Apple Passkey" (view diff)
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@denschub ↩️ but if you want something helpful from me: set up your own blog (even a jekyll template on github pages works as long as you keep a local backup of your contents!), and instead of posting on [other social network], post on your blog and just share links! https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1585707473343758336)
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[tantek] ipv6 << Criticism: unclear why ipv6 is taking so long (theories: broken incentives, some design issues)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: unclear why ipv6 is taking so long (theories: broken incentives, some design issues)" to the "See Also" section of /IPv6 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84043&oldid=84038
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tantek.com edited /naming_convention (+427) "Why, IndieWeb Examples" (view diff)
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[tantek] is this worth IndieNewsing? It is a call to blog on your own site instead of Twitter which feels quite timely for this week: https://pierre.equoy.fr/blog/posts/2022/10/stop-writing-twitter-threads/
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jamesg.blog edited /IPv6 (+682) "Add Tailscale IPv6 quote" (view diff)
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@acegiak ↩️ If you'd like to play around with something that integrates with indieweb/mastodon/fediverse/etc any time, just give me a holler (twitter.com/_/status/1585726093138329600)
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gregorlove.com edited /backfill () "(-5635) /* See Also */ rm WordPress plugin page contents that auto-added to See Also after link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /backfill (+373) "+Tools section with Facebook, Tumblr, and Twitter sub-sections" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /backfill (+181) "mv cleverdevil's article to examples" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /backfill (+240) "mv more links from see also to Tools" (view diff)
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[Murray] gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (69 in all channels)
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@PatatasSmall ↩️ If you just want to get your feet wet and try out the interface or a few of the mobile apps, then consider going with a default one like http://Mastodon.online or http://mstdn.social I settled on http://indieweb.social but tbh I haven't been on in a while (twitter.com/_/status/1585765372007153664)
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gRegor [tantek], Progress: https://staging.gregorlove.com/indieweb/this-week/debug-this-week.html
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gRegor For the event name, since we don't have p-name on these pages, it's using the p-summary, everything before " was " or " is "
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gRegor So that one Americas shows up separate since the date is before the "was"
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@venikunche I'm not planning on leaving Twitter. Will stay to see how things pan out. For the folks who are and would like to stay connected.. I'm on mastodon at https://indieweb.social/web/@venikunche and on LinkedIn at https://linkedin.com/in/venikunche (twitter.com/_/status/1585775390836281344)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2022-10-19-homebrew-website-club-europe-london () "(-1392) redirect, duplicate notes archived" (view diff)
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gRegor Well, they have p-name, but it's the wiki page name. For events that is the slug, "events/2022-10-19-hwc-europe"
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@EmilyTav Psssst friends. If you’re setting up an account on Mastadon… find me at @EmilyTav@indieweb.social I’ve been on for a few months but inactive. Starting to play more and would love to see more of you there. If you join, share your account here! (twitter.com/_/status/1585777955359318020)
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[tantek] gRegor++ very cool!
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Loqi gRegor has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (70 in all channels)
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[tantek] I noticed the first one appeared to have a dupe for 2022-10-19. We’re those notes archived twice?
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[tantek] “Homebrew Website Club Europe/London: 2022-10-19, 2022-10-19, 2021-09-29, 2021-09-15”
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gRegor Yeah, I fixed it after that was generated
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gRegor The redirect edit above
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@EmilyTav ↩️ https://indieweb.social/invite/SBQECjYD (twitter.com/_/status/1585780814822146048)
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