#meta 2022-12-07

2022-12-07 UTC
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[Murray]
I know #indieweb-stream is currently pulling from Mastodon.social, but could I suggest at least adding the indieweb hashtag feed from indieweb.social as well? It's far from a busy hashtag, but I'm seeing far more posts having subscribed to it on that instance than we seem to be getting from mastodon.social 🙂
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aaronpk
I am going to have to add logic to dedupe posts if I do that. Keep in mind the tag feed reports posts from other servers too so there are likely to be the same post appearing on both the mastodon.social and indieweb.social tag feeds
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[Murray]
that's not my experience, though, hence the ask 🙂 I'm subscribed to the hashtag (I assume it only subscribes you to posts on your/visible to your instance, and I assume the RSS feed is the same?) but I haven't seen any of the posts that I'm getting on Mastodon turn up here (again, there aren't a huge number, but more than it seems we're getting here 😅 )
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[Murray]
that doesn't strike me as too strange, as I rarely see mastodon.social users on my feed; there seems to be a big enough "bubble" effect around the indieweb.social and other tech instances that I guess offsets the overall popularity of that server?
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[Murray]
if dedupe is a major issue (which I could understand; Mastodon does not deal well with duplication it seems) then I'd personally suggest switching to using indieweb.social as a priority, seeing as that instance is more likely to attract people with a relevant interest
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[tantek]
DDAAS - de-dupe as a service could be an interesting proxy
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aaronpk
to be clear, the tag feed on mastodon.social includes posts from outside mastodon.social already, just only the posts that the server knows about. so if I add the indieweb.social feed too, then any posts that get sent to both servers (any post from me for example) would appear twice
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aaronpk
also i wish there was a feed with higher fidelity than the RSS feeds. they don't include author information or anything so they are pretty boring looking in my reader
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aaronpk
lots of duplicates
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aaronpk
hmm... a granary-like service that dedupes items from multiple feeds isn't that far fetched
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sknebel
depends how long it needs to look back :D
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aaronpk
although a consumer of the combined feed should also be keeping track of posts it's seen so i think this will work
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sknebel
if the consumer keeps track then you dont need a dedupe service? :D
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aaronpk
i know at least my consumer keeps track of items within the scope of their own feeds, but not cross feeds
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sknebel
so you just need to merge feeds, not do complicated deduping on them
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sknebel
in the bit that goes inbetween
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aaronpk
merge without duplicates yes
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sknebel
if your downstream can handle duplicates?
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sknebel
I mean it doesnt hurt, but I dont quite get the logic
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aaronpk
a feed reader following example.com keeps track of whether it's already seen an item in that feed. but if another feed at example.org shows up and says an item URL is on example.com it treats it as totally different sets and doesn't let it claim a post on another domain
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aaronpk
but now I explicitly *want* to dedupe items across two domains, but the security model of typical feed readers doesn't allow that
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aaronpk
anyway it's done
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aaronpk
it was a tiny bit of php with no libraries :)
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sknebel
but the hashtag feeds already point to any random domain?
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sknebel
i.e. you clearly dont enforce that the indieweb.social feed only links to posts on indieweb.social, because it doesnt
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aaronpk
that's not what i said :)
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aaronpk
items from the indieweb.social feed are deduped within the scope of items from that feed, but not from other feeds
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aaronpk
it treats item identifiers as opaque strings, doesn't care about the domain
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sknebel
and if you combined multiple such threads, without deduplication, into one feed
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sknebel
it would already work
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aaronpk
oh maybe
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aaronpk
but at that point deduping the items isn't any extra work
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sknebel
at least as long as both copies are in the feeds at the same time, yeah
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aaronpk
the items should fall off the feed as normal
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aaronpk
anyway, all set. it's fed into https://stream.indieweb.org/ now and should show up in the channel. keep an eye out for strange dupes but i suspect there won't be any
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aaronpk
bonus side effect is i was able to set the author property in the posts in the combined feed based on the username in the post URL so they show up better on stream.indieweb.org
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[KevinMarks]
there were higher fidelity feeds before they js;dr'd the mf2 markup
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www.ciccarello.me
edited /Eleventy (+171) "/* See Also */ add Letting Eleventy Schedule its Own Builds"
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/aravindballa/status/1561743612169244673" to the "See Also" section of /handwriting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84933&oldid=83862
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[jacky]
^ I've been tempted to do this, tbh
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gregorlove.com
edited /photo (+148) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ mv Brent to past, +archive links"
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gRegor
I forget who, but saw someone recently got the Remarkable2 e-ink tablet and was enjoying it. That could also work for ^
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aaronpk
i just got one but i dont think i mentioned it yet :)
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www.ciccarello.me
edited /photo (+412) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add ciccarello.me"
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[chrisaldrich]
It was roughly a year ago this month that I was doing a lot of handwritten posts and experiments... perhaps time to revisit and refine?
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[chrisaldrich]
besides user-based feeds and tag-based feeds, does Mastodon or anything else in the Fediverse offer any useful feeds? I'm thinking that it would be interesting/useful to have a feed of everyone I'm following in Mastodon, which is similar to a feed that micro.blog offers and allows me to leverage the easy follow UI in micro.blog, but have all those easily dumped into a social reader?
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[chrisaldrich]
Possibly an aaronpk question, but did you see the email foward last week to wordpress@indieweb.org about miklb's email address bouncing and that placing plugins in jeopardy? Just wanted to make sure it got taken care of...
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aaronpk
that was last week right? is there still a problem?
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gregorlove.com
edited /photo (+347) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ mv Jay Robinson to past, +archive link"
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gregorlove.com
edited /photo (-14) "update some indiewebcamp.com links"
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www.ciccarello.me
edited /Instagram (+457) "/* Issues */ add unfollow rate limiting"
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[Murray]
aaronpk++ thanks, both for the outcome and the explanations 🙂
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Loqi
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