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[tantek] well it is the 6th Google search result for HTTPRange-14
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[tantek] it's in the category of things to warn people about / away from
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[tantek] IndieWeb guardrails as it were
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tantek.com edited /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki (+1488) "Intermediate relevant to the IndieWeb wiki subjects" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor (others) ^ please review: https://indieweb.org/relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki#Intermediate
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angelo HWC Pacific is live
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angelo GWG ^
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GWG I'll be there soon
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Apr 12, 2023 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/kSucWAM3G5K5
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:organizing (+17) "link section that's newer than brainstorming: How to organize virtual events" (view diff)
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capjamesg !archive d d
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cali-iwc Usage: !archive <event page URL or Etherpad URL> <events/wiki-url>
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capjamesg Ah, you are here!
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2023/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-GqSqrL8kdnzV events/hwc-europe-2023-03-29
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/hwc-europe-2023-03-29 (+1367) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/hwc-europe-2023-03-29. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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capjamesg I tried to archive in the wrong channel earlier. That's why you weren't working.
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gRegor capjamesg, In the future can you make those with the date first in the slug? e.g. /events/2023-03-29-hwc-europe
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2023/03/homebrew-website-club-pacific-NUDUCtZYDG3r events/2023-03-29-hwc-pacific
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2023-03-29-hwc-pacific (+1822) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2023-03-29-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2023-03-29-hwc-pacific (-177) "cleanup" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /events/hwc-europe-2023-03-29 to /events/2023-03-29-hwc-europe "date first in slug"
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+127) "03/29 HWCs" (view diff)
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capjamesg Ah, will do gRegor.
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capjamesg I always forget about the format.
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capjamesg There's an idea for a new Cali command: !format.
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gRegor I think https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-etherpad-archiver/issues/4 will resolve it, as long as we always make the etherpad slug correctly
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gRegor Do you still only add the etherpad to the event page shortly before the event? Might be better to include it initially, then clone the events and change the dates. I think that's how GWG does HWC Pacific
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GWG I do include it when I clone the event
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capjamesg I can do that.
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capjamesg Good idea!
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capjamesg I'm sorry I didn't review your Issue in more detail when it was first submitted.
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gRegor No worries
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capjamesg Why is archiving the Etherpad preferred over the Events page?
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capjamesg (I have no preference.)
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gRegor Fewer parameters and ideally all of the information needed can be extracted from the etherpad (if we also start adding the events.indieweb.org event link in the etherpad)
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sknebel isnt etherpad link or events.indieweb.org link the same amount of parameters?
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gRegor It's currently link + wiki slug
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capjamesg I can get the date from the events page too.
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sknebel the slug parameter is optional, is it not?
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capjamesg I think it _was_ optional.
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gRegor It can still work with the events.indieweb.org link too, just extra steps to find the etherpad
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capjamesg Good point.
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capjamesg I may add in support for both.
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capjamesg Or, rather, extend support for both.
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gRegor It "works" with both now, but it requires extra edits. Let me find past examples
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capjamesg If anyone wants, feel free to contribute to the repo!
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gRegor This was one archived with the etherpad URL: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2023-03-22-hwc-europe&oldid=87106
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gRegor So had to edit to change the event name in the <dfn> as well as the page it linked to (the events.indieweb.org link)
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sknebel right, because for an etherpad link it doesnt know that
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sknebel but for an events.indieweb.org link it fetches it from the microformats on that page
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sknebel and also constructs a default page slug from that
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gRegor :shrug: sure, it's possible, it's just extra steps. I think the algorithm described in that github issue makes it simpler.
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sknebel so the slug parameter is only needed if it doesnt know the events.indieweb.org link - which it right now doesnt know if you give it an etherpad link
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sknebel to me ignoring the existing page with the information and instead relying on the etherpad slugs being in a specific format feels more brittle
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gRegor How would Cali generate slugs from just the meetable link?
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capjamesg The page has mf2 date info.
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capjamesg As a h-event.
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gRegor It doesn't have "hwc-europe" or "hwc-pacific"
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capjamesg We could infer that.
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gRegor From?
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gRegor Like, we have it explicitly in the etherpad slugs, heh
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sknebel https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-etherpad-archiver/blob/main/CreateDocument.pm#L194
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sknebel is what it currently does
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capjamesg If "London" in p-name, slug = date from p-start + "-hwc-europe"
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sknebel bit more steps, but could also keep track of & search etherpad links in the descriptions
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sknebel so instead of relying on the etherpad linking back, find the event that links that etherpad?
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gRegor I guess I don't have a strong preference if it works, but it feels more intuitive to me to create an archive of an etherpad, I would use that URL. Some inferring needs to happen in either case.
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gRegor The other part of this is I'm usually the one updating https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club and I try to keep the wiki slugs consistent there so can copy and just change dates.
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gRegor Also edge cases :) https://events.indieweb.org/2023/04/galactic-bonus-homebrew-website-club-AgtRDfERlbfx
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capjamesg We need an edge cases meme.
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sknebel would get the slug events/2023-04-15-galactic-bonus-homebrew-website-club, seems fine?
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sknebel maybe homebrew-website-club should turn into hwc always though
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sknebel capjamesg: we have an edge case meme, he is called Zegnat :P
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gRegor hahah
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capjamesg :)
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capjamesg If I copy your message sknebel and send it here, James Bot will codify that knowledge.
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capjamesg I now have an AI question.
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capjamesg To #dev.
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[KevinMarks] Edge case meme?
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[KevinMarks] !xkcd 2549
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capjamesg Hahahaha.
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Loqi capjamesg: lol
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capjamesg Also TIL about https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page.
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[tantek] to me the etherpad link makes more sense as a parameter because it's literally the direct object of (and has the contents of) what you want to "archive"
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[tantek] the creation of the etherpad also requires (in practice) choosing a slug at the time of creation (rather than later at the time of archiving) so it lowers the labor to archive, which is the right place to optimize
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