#meta 2023-05-28

2023-05-28 UTC
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[tantek]
Let's get some thoughts here — how do others feel about organizing / upgrading IWC NUR into our IWS 2023?
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[tantek]
Sounds reasonable/good? Or would rather wait to keep looking for a date/venue in Portland? (if you are able to contribute to that) Or would rather not have an IWS if we can't do it in Portland?
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[tantek]
Or other thoughts about IWS?
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GWG
[tantek]: What are the unique attributes of an IWS in everyone's opinion?
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GWG
I think IWS moving around is not necessarily a bad thing on attendance... but it always got more attendance than other IWC events.
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GWG
Prior to 2016 it was just...Indiewebcamp
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[tantek]
From what we have done in the past: Once a year. Larger capacity. An encouragement that if you can only make it to one IWC, make it to this one. An intro reflecting on the past year. A handful of lightning keynotes after the intro to provide examples & ideas to inspire folks. A half-day Organizers Summit before the Summit. More explicit pre-party and side-events before the main event.
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GWG
Yes, I'm just saying to take it on the road, we should have a page describing this on the wiki.
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GWG
And would Nuremberg fit the bill in terms of larger attendance? Our restart events have been a bit smaller than we achieved in prior years.
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[tantek]
It's very likely IWC NUR will have the most participants since restarted in-person events. Especially if we get ticketing setup in advance soon, and adjacent to the border:none ticketing.
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[tantek]
We can also reach out to folks who have already bought their border:none tickets and encourage them to stay for IWS which will get a bunch more folks
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GWG
[tantek]: Yes, and with this much lead time, helps with people who weren't going to go to border:none, for example myself.
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[tantek]
part of it depends on an update of the description — timely copyediting mentioning all the IndieWeb / social web things that people are interested in today that are aligned with our principles
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[tantek]
also helps people who were planning on going make travel plans to stay longer
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[tantek]
I think you'd enjoy border:none as well tho
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GWG
[tantek]: I might solicit a sales pitch on that, and what there is to do in Nuremberg sightseeing wise, and whether or not I should route to another city en route that I haven't been to.
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[tantek]
GWG, look at the "pitches" that were made for the various "fediwhat" or "decentralizedsomething" etc. confs that happened earlier this year
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[tantek]
Though I can't remember their names
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[tantek]
I know [manton] demo'd at least one, maybe two
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GWG
Well, maybe the fact I know some of the people...
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[tantek]
what was decentsocial
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "decentsocial" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "decentsocial is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
I thought that was one of them
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[tantek]
DecentSocial was https://decentsocial.net/ a “virtual unconference” on 2023-02-11 on the topic of building a decent [[social web]].
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
who participated in DecentSocial? It's quite hard to navigate their links / notes etc. tons of fragile js;dr stuff across a variety of sites
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[tantek]
alright that's enough DecentSocial spelunking, will let others fill it in further
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gRegor
I like the idea of IWS moving around if that makes sense for attendance numbers
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gRegor
Plus nice to give people a chance to attend in person who have been virtual in the past
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GWG
gRegor: It just means we have some work to do. I think it's a good idea
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GWG
gRegor: Would you come?
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gRegor
Probably not
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gRegor
I don't mind attending virtually though.
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GWG
gRegor: I will either go 9r or attend virtually but I will be there in one manner
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[tantek]
let's capture virtual interest too
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[tantek]
gRegor add yourself to the virtual participation section! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Nuremberg
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gRegor
hasn't done the time calculation yet so no promises, haha
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[tantek]
Zegnat WDYT of doing a half-day Organizers Summit on Wednesday the day before border:none?
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[jeremycherfas]
Is Tollwerk big enough to host all that many people? I don’t think it is. As for things to see, the museum of the Nurnberg Trials should be unmissable.
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[tantek]
We should have capacity numbers from the last time we did IWC NUR
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[tantek]
And yes we should set ticket limits accordingly. I don't expect we'll get as many people as IWS 2019 tho
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Loqi
totally
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GWG
Do we have a read on the size of the space?
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[tantek]
There are photos from 2018, and from the looks of it we had ~20 people: https://indieweb.org/2018/Nuremberg#Photos
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[tantek]
The registration says 16 tickets left
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[tantek]
So we know the capacity is at least 36
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[tantek]
What was Colloq?
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Loqi
Colloq is a service to find and track events, used as part of IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2018 [1] https://indieweb.org/Colloq
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[tantek]
Looks like it shut down in 2021
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GWG
I'm very tempted to come
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Zegnat
I think I read CoderDojo brought in on average 30 kids, and then + whoever was mentoring, and I am guessing parents? Between 30 and 40 people feels like something you could house at the Tollwerkstatt. But lets see when jkphl gets back with a ticketing set-up.
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Zegnat
[tantek]: like I said, I will probably be in the area the whole week, so I can probably do a Wednesday meetup? Still looking exactly where I will be staying. I am ambivalent on the IWC vs IWS question. I am not sure we would get any more of the active EU participants to show up based on the name.
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Zegnat
[GWG]: As [jeremycherfas] mentioned, the Documentation Center (https://museums.nuernberg.de/documentation-center/) is imposing. I went there together with sknebel last time I was in NUR. Though it looks like they are currently remodelling. For my bday I would probably be with friends (Isi who used to work at Tollwerk and has been to IWC including in Brighton) elsewhere in Franconia. The events are just an extra excuse to make the
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Zegnat
trip down South for me :)
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GWG
Zegnat: I'd like to catch up in person if I end up coming
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Zegnat
It looks like there is a museum called House of Games, as well as the "German Games Archive", in NUR. Those could be fun to check out!
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Zegnat
Same. I hope we can get a bunch of people to turn up. I have been missing the physical IndieWeb events!
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GWG
Same
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[tantek]
Zegnat I'd be down to check those out!
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[tantek]
Maybe we could do either or both as a Wednesday morning organizers team building exercise and then do Organizers Summit Wednesday afternoon so US folks can join remotely
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GWG
IWC tours Nuremberg? That sounds fun
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