#meta 2023-08-28

2023-08-28 UTC
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[tantek] Zegnat, the whole microbrowser thing being coined for link preview was complete crap
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[tantek] the term microbrowser already meant something in the mobile context
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[tantek] the article coining it as if it was a new thing did not do its homework
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[tantek] pretty sure I already ranted about this
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[tantek] Zegnat: https://tantek.com/2019/351/t1/link-preview-agent-not-microbrowser
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] link preview agent — n. a user agent that crawls a web page for text, image(s), link(s) etc. to make a link preview https://indieweb.org/link-preview. @24ways (ht @KevinMarks): it’s not a “microbrowser” (already an alias for mobile browser¹...
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[tantek] Zegnat, LMK if you want to keep that errant one-time use of "microbrowser" on the link preview page (literally no one did outside that mistaken article) and add my blog post debunking it, or if you just want to remove it. It's either a poor citation or it's a documentation of a mistake
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Zegnat [tantek]: huh, interesting. Honestly never heard anyone refer to mobile browsers as microbrowsers. Maybe because I never did WAP and related browsing.
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Zegnat I still like the link in general, as it is a great call-out on how people consume media in apps through perviews (the new obnly reading headlines). But I will add your link for the extra context!
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vanderven.se martijn edited /link-preview (+934) "/* See Also */ Add context on microbrowser being an alias for mobile browser, link preview agent would have been better." (view diff)
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Loqi [[IndieAuth]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IndieAuth&diff=1172624237&oldid=prev Priteless at 07:44, 28 August 2023
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[tantek] Zegnat, "never heard anyone refer to" is a poor excuse when there's literally a Wikipedia article/redirect with the exact term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/microbrowser. IMO that's a minimum bar for "looking something up" (Google / Wikipedia search)
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[tantek] Do we have a page or article documenting concerns about GenAI / LLMs using blog posts as training data? [capjamesg]?
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[tantek] This article though about Wikipedia seems related to such concerns and I figured it should be something we document somewhere: https://slate.com/technology/2023/08/wikipedia-artificial-intelligence-threat.html
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (+139) "mv Nuremburg to planned, +events.indieweb.org link" (view diff)
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c​apjamesg [tantek] No, but we should create one.
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c​apjamesg https://tracydurnell.com/2023/07/07/the-next-big-theft/ and https://tracydurnell.com/2023/07/11/pulling-my-site-from-google-over-ai-training/ are relevant.
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[tantek] capjamesg yes exactly what I was thinking — those kinds of articles from TracyDurnell++
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kvibber.com edited /link-preview (+6) "/* Pinterest */ Update link to Rich Pins documentation" (view diff)