#meta 2023-10-06

2023-10-06 UTC
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[tantek] aaronpk, did you track down why Meetable is rejecting the photo for the Data Potability meetup? ^
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[catgirlinspace] [aaronpk] wait how is that different than what it does right now?
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aaronpk Sorry no I didn't notice
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aaronpk probably file size, I always forget to update that setting on a new server
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aaronpk right now the bridge uses the same username for everyone (slackuser)
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aaronpk i have been requested by libera staff to use a unique username so that blocking is easier
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loqi.me created /http/3 (+18) "prompted by [catgirlinspace] and redirect added by [catgirlinspace]" (view diff)
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[catgirlinspace] oh, does http://chat.indieweb.org do some kind of rewrite for slack users from slackuser to the username?
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sknebel no
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sknebel IRC has two things: nicks and usernames
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sknebel you are thinking of nicks
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[catgirlinspace] ah, gotcha
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[catgirlinspace] irc seems confusing tbh
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[tantek] aaronpk, ah, will try for <2MB to see if that works
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[tantek] yes that worked
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[catgirlinspace] i still don't know the proper way to mention people here. ive seen people do @ username, [ username ], and just saying the username. is confusing.
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[tantek] aaronpk, any chance of updating the photo upload limit on events.indieweb to at least 3MB? Maybe 5MB?
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[tantek] catgirlinspace, you should be able to "just" use whatever name they show up with from the perspective of your client and the bridging does the translation
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[tantek] with perhaps one exception, if you're using Slack, and the other person is a Slack user too (you can hover over their icon and it should NOT say "incoming-webhook") then you do type the @ and then use Slack's clientside UI to choose the person you want to mention
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[tantek] e.g. [catgirlinspace] like this
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[catgirlinspace] hm, ive seen stuff come through as [] i believe when using slack.
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[catgirlinspace] if i do the @ thing with a not-slack user would it still be translated by the bridge?
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[tantek] yes that's how it comes through from Slack -> IRC and you can see that in the logs: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-10-06#bottom
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[tantek] no, Slack do not know how to auto-complete non-slack users, so typing @ in Slack won't let you choose a non-slack user
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sknebel too bad they dont allow that. but I guess for hte webhook-style of bot its not entirely obvious. but still
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[catgirlinspace] yeah, but does the bridge still translate it as a mention for the person mentioned?
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[catgirlinspace] oh nvm, looks like it does https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-10-06/1696554465412000
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Loqi [preview] [[catgirlinspace]] [aaronpk] wait how is that different than what it does right now?
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[catgirlinspace] (the message i sent in slack used @ )
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sknebel interesting that it added the []. but not an issue.
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sknebel IRC does not have special mentions - a "mention" is literally just writing someones nick
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sknebel so either way it works through the bridge
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sknebel the more interesting part is if [catgirlinspace] (me writing your nick in square brackets in IRC) gets turned into an @-mention, since slack does make that distinction
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[catgirlinspace] oh wait did the bridge add the [] because aaron\pk is also on slack?
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[tantek] yes
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[catgirlinspace] yep that does become an @ mention in slack :3
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[catgirlinspace] so if i do the @ with someone who isnt in slack would it still get the square brackets?
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[tantek] no
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sknebel ah right, if its a slack-@-mention its the correct thing to bridge to IRC with the brackets, so it matches the slack-users irc nick
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[tantek] !tell omz13 hey omz13 was it your intention to expand the /http3 page to have indieweb relevance in its definition and list indieweb examples? (i.e. see https://indieweb.org/relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki) if not, we should delete the page because it doesn't serve any purpose compare to the Wikipedia page for http3 http://enwp.org/http3
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] !tell [capjamesg] you should offer to take a screenshot of the Zoom or Jitsi room of the SocialCG meeting tomorrow so we can add it to the event in the newsletter ^ !
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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catgirlin.space uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Screenshot of kitty's compose screen.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Screenshot_of_kitty's_compose_screen.png"
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catgirlin.space edited /User:Catgirlin.space/kitty (+138) "Add compose to features" (view diff)
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omz13 [tantek] That was the intention but my use of http3 has stalled due to other priorities. Suggest pages for http3 and http2 simply redirect to http (which could itself do with some attention)
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Loqi omz13: [tantek] left you a message 10 hours, 39 minutes ago: hey omz13 was it your intention to expand the /http3 page to have indieweb relevance in its definition and list indieweb examples? (i.e. see https://indieweb.org/relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki) if not, we should delete the page because it doesn't serve any purpose compare to the Wikipedia page for http3 http://enwp.org/http3
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[tantek] I think redirecting to a section (perhaps brainstorming?) on http makes sense, that way you could at least capture or summarize what you had in mind
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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[catgirlinspace] busy week :3
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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[timothy_chambe] [KevinMarks] - done: and it did get a "like" from him: https://www.threads.net/@timothyjchambers/post/CxeqnhiN4Z6
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[timothy_chambe] And one more suggestion: better opengraph rich previews for Masto links shared on Threads. (And vice versa)
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[timothy_chambe] https://www.threads.net/@timothyjchambers/post/Cx3YPGtp12I
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[KevinMarks] LinkTree was a workaround for Instagram's anti-link policies. Now they're adding more links to Threads, that may make less sense. The omg.lol linksite supports rel=me properly https://home.omg.lol/info/profile-items
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[KevinMarks] LinkTree was a workaround for Instagram's anti-link policies. Now they're adding more links to Threads, that may make less sense. The omg.lol linksite supports rel=me properly https://home.omg.lol/info/profile-items
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] can you add IndieWeb relevance to the dfn in https://indieweb.org/Cohen%E2%80%99s_law ? (also interesting that there's no Wikipedia page for this concept)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Sep 30, 2023 9:00am Build a Website in an Hour" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/504/history/1439/diff
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2023-09-30-build-a-website-in-an-hour (+30) "category, iwc template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+111) "+popup" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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tantek.com edited /Cohen’s_law (+80) "needs indieweb relevance" (view diff)
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aaronpk do we need a banner template for indieweb relevance like wikipedia has for similar things?
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capjamesg My thoughts exactly aaronpk.
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capjamesg I believe it is a hatnote.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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[tantek] what is a hatnote
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hatnote" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "hatnote is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor Was just discussing setting that up in -chat
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gRegor Un momento
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capjamesg [tantek] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hatnote
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[tantek] now I'm wondering if anyone uses hatnotes on their blog or blog posts
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[tantek] per IndieWeb relevance 🙂
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capjamesg The reason I know about this is because it came up at a HWC.
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capjamesg Apparently you were there: https://indieweb.org/events/2023-05-31-hwc-europe
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gregorlove.com created /Template:relevance_needed (+320) "initial template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+52) "test {{relevance_needed}}" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Cohen’s_law (+20) "relevance template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Category:Definitions_needing_IndieWeb_relevance (+345) "dfn category" (view diff)
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[tantek] Category:Definitions needing IndieWeb relevance << definition
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Loqi ok, I added "[[definition]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Category:Definitions_needing_IndieWeb_relevance https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89672&oldid=89670
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loqi.me edited /Category:Definitions_needing_IndieWeb_relevance (+34) "[tantek] added "[[definition]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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gregorlove.com created /Template:relevance_needed/doc (+593) "template documentation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+6) "finish addition" (view diff)
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gRegor How does that look, tantek? https://indieweb.org/Template:relevance_needed
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gRegor I'm checking on how to exclude the categories from the template pages themselves. Minor, but they show up on https://indieweb.org/Category:Definitions_needing_IndieWeb_relevance since they're used in the docs
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[tantek] let's see if this works
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[tantek] http3 << {{relevance_needed}}
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Loqi ok, I added "{{relevance_needed}}" to a brand new "See Also" section of /http3 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89677&oldid=88183
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loqi.me edited /http3 (+40) "[tantek] added "{{relevance_needed}}" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /http3 (+57) "move relevance tmplt to top" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor++ for an amazingly useful template that we have needed far too long
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Loqi gRegor has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (80 in all channels)
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[tantek] my guess is we could go through oldest pages and start marking a bunch with it
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gRegor Oh interesting, didn't consider it in the SA section
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/Special:AncientPages
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gRegor hah
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[tantek] perhaps Loqi should treat < < additions of an entire line of {{template-name}} as intending it to be added to the TOP of the page rather than the See Also section
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gregorlove.com edited /to-do (+335) "Update definitions with IndieWeb relevance" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:relevance_needed/doc (-20) "link to category for examples instead of transcluding the template here" (view diff)
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gRegor there we go
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gregorlove.com edited /to-do (+120) "/* Update definitions with IndieWeb relevance */ +note to go through Special:AncientPages" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /language (+149) "link other-languages and pages by language category" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /contribute-fr (+30) "+pages in french" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /wiggles (+691) "cleanup, add archives for links, noted dead ebaumsworld link with no archive" (view diff)
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gRegor not to be confused with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wiggles
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+153) "Free Code Camp — worth every penny" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+1) "/* Free Code Camp */ /blockquote" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wiggles (-2) "move relevance tmpl to top" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-06.html
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[tantek] haha wiggles made it into the newsletter as did js;dr
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loqi.me created /Luau (+151) "prompted by [catgirlinspace] and dfn added by [catgirlinspace]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Luau (+40) "[tantek] added "{{relevance_needed}}" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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catgirlin.space edited /Luau (+92) "add self to indieweb examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Luau (+65) "add indieweb relevance to dfn, rm needed template, see also programming language I think" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Lua (+28) "[catgirlinspace] added "[[Luau]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wrong_with_you (+6) "fix wording to be more generic" (view diff)
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c​apjamesg Amazing newsletter this week!
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