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tantek.com edited /border:none (+30) "+sknebel, sarajaksa" (view diff)
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Loqi [New Event] tantek.com created "Oct 25, 2023 7:00pm IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2023 Organizers Dinner" https://events.indieweb.org/ujv9W0TRRKxL
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2023/10/homebrew-website-club-pacific-hs5b8Mv5xnKm events/2023-10-25-hwc-pacific
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2023-10-25-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2023-10-25-hwc-pacific (+2653) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2023-10-25-hwc-pacific (-191) "clean up" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Oct 25, 2023 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/529/history/1465/diff
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+127) "10/25 HWCs" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Oct 25, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/531/history/1466/diff
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GWG Do we have anything for scheduling for Nuremberg? And should we try to get extra Zoom rooms ready?
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Zegnat No schedule yet. But it is probably safe to assume we will do something like the previous Nürnberg one
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Zegnat I'll see if I can get the wiki updated with at least a start time during today
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Loqi [New Event] vanderven.se/martijn/ created "Oct 26 - 27, 2023 border:none 2023" https://events.indieweb.org/KDzK8mYBoufF
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Zegnat There is now a border:none event, and I have added last night’s dinner picture to it. https://events.indieweb.org/2023/10/border-none-2023-KDzK8mYBoufF
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Zegnat And … RSVP’d. I remember how to do it :D Hahaha
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Loqi hahahaha
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Zegnat [tantek]: your phone has the indieweb pre-bono23 dinner photo, right? Will you be uploading it to events.indieweb.org?
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gregorlove.com edited /T2 (+49) "current domain in <nowiki>, link the watch" (view diff)
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Zegnat Huh. I seem to not be able to RSVP to https://events.indieweb.org/2023/10/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2023-DmXe4dYdfagc ... I was able to send a Webmention from https://licit.li/653b5fe82d462 it showed up for moderation, I could approve it, and then it does not show. Some sort of caching? Or am I just shadowbanned? ;) (aaronpk)
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gRegor I don't see any post content on your permalink. I did see it just a bit ago and as a comment on the event, hm
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gRegor Oh I was looking at the dinner event
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Zegnat The permalink does not have any visual content. Just a yes rsvp. It gets parsed correctly when you send it as a webmention, as it shows up in the moderation log
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Zegnat I was trying to just rsvp without a comment.
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[tantek] Zegnat, I believe when there is a ticketing URL, RSVPing to the event works differently (because you're expected to get a ticket to "RSVP")
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[tantek] photo uploaded to https://events.indieweb.org/2023/10/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2023-organizers-dinner-ujv9W0TRRKxL — which I thought would show up here as an edit to the event. cc: aaronpk
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Zegnat I added a ticketing URL to the border:none event too. And I was able to RSVP. Hmm...
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[tantek] Interesting. Well then I have no explanation
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[tantek] Nice newsletter draft! Need to edit a few more wiki pages
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[tantek] Maybe create a couple too
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[tantek] Wikify << for pages about a technology, there should be near or at the top: a user-centric user flow/story [[diagram]], and a very simple minimal code example, highlighting the specific tech in the context of its use (eg an mf2 class name highlighted inside an HTML element or two)
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Loqi ok, I added "for pages about a technology, there should be near or at the top: a user-centric user flow/story [[diagram]], and a very simple minimal code example, highlighting the specific tech in the context of its use (eg an mf2 class name highlighted inside an HTML element or two)" to the "See Also" section of /wikifying https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=90017&oldid=89518
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[tantek] media fragment << to-do: add a simple URL example to near the top of the page to immediately illustrate what it is
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: add a simple URL example to near the top of the page to immediately illustrate what it is" to the "See Also" section of /media_fragment https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=90018&oldid=49852
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[tantek] To-do << create indieweb pages & events for IWC DUS 2024-05-11...12 the weekend immediately before [[btconf]] DUS 2024-05-13..14 https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/dusseldorf-2024
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Loqi ok, I added "create indieweb pages & events for IWC DUS 2024-05-11...12 the weekend immediately before [[btconf]] DUS 2024-05-13..14 https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/dusseldorf-2024" to the "See Also" section of /to-do https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=90019&oldid=89681
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GWG I've been thinking....how about someone ping me when there is something to remotely participate in?
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable/issues/109
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #109 Add edit notification when a photo is added
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aaronpk Zegnat [tantek]: when there is a ticket URL, plain RSVPs don't show up. However on the border:none event the RSVP post also has a comment so it shows because there is comment text
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2023/Nuremberg (+802) "/* Weekend Schedule */ Copy schedule from [[2018/Nuremberg]], replace links, remove provided breakfast and lunches" (view diff)
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Zegnat aaronpk: ah, so there was an extra check, gotcha!
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aaronpk It might be clearer if I also hide the RSVP banner
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vanderven.se martijn created /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (+3161) "Empty schedule go!" (view diff)
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Zegnat Short hand schedule for the weekend: https://indieweb.org/2023/Nuremberg#Weekend_Schedule
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Zegnat Stub schedule page for the weekend, to be filled with sessions: https://indieweb.org/2023/Nuremberg/Schedule
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Zegnat If anyone spots anything not in sync, feel free to fix or ping me!
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (12 in all channels)
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Zegnat aaronpk it might be more obvious if the moderation page where I went had been able to tell me
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[tantek] aaronpk, another possibility would be for Meetable to recognize a http://ti.to ticketing URL and then call its API to show the RSVPs dynamically
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[tantek] Like the embeds we used to show on the YYYY.indieweb static pages
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aaronpk The API requires authentication so we'd have to support adding an API key to each event, since events get put on there from different Tito accounts too
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aaronpk It's doable tho
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aaronpk if there is enough interest
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aaronpk there haven't been very many in person events since launching the site yet 😬
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GWG aaronpk: Yet...
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GWG aaronpk: Is it costly to spin up an extra Zoom room for tomorrow just in case?
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GWG is trying for optimism
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aaronpk A second one? That's fine but I will need confirmation from people there that they can actually handle it
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[tantek] Joschi has his special zoom camera/device we can use for the main room and I brought an extra laptop (forgot the external camera) for a second room
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aaronpk Shall I activate a second zoom acct then?
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[tantek] Yes let's do it
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aaronpk ok hold please
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aaronpk ok, the "orange" account is licensed now
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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sgreger Zegnat: Note, that Sat is CEST but Sun is CET …particularly relevant for remote participants in North America, where DST ends a week later ;)
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GWG Great
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GWG I look forward to being up at 4am with you
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GWG sgreger: Hi
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aaronpk just make sure the time on events.indieweb.org is right and it should convert it for you!
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Zegnat Can I add times there? I think the time input disappeared when it became multiday
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aaronpk ah yeah true
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aaronpk you can make sub-events now tho
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aaronpk for each session
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Zegnat I'll make sure to put two different time markers + the time conversion links on the wiki
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Zegnat Good reminder!
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aaronpk you can also link to the timezone conversion page manually
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aaronpk https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20231101T1900&tz=Europe%2FLondon
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Zegnat Yeah, there seemed to be a wiki template for that!
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Zegnat Probably need to do that after leaving the venue
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[tantek] Longest indiewebcamp weekend ever
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aaronpk heh
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sgreger GWG: Hi! I also plan remote attendance, if time allows – in the same time zone, though
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (+400) "Note DST change. CEST on day 1, CET on dat 2, include timezone conversion links. Good luck!" (view diff)
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Zegnat That should hopefully do it. Added a warning. And now we have conversion links on start times.
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sgreger In the fall it's not as problematic, luckily. Worst case: somebody might be too early.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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GWG sgreger: Looking forward to your image.
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[tantek] What are the masking (or other Covid) rules for Tollwerk? (Tomorrow's IWC avenue)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "masking (or other Covid) rules for Tollwerk" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "masking (or other Covid) rules for Tollwerk is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Oops
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[tantek] And should we provide any rules or guidance on top?
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GWG [tantek]: What would you propose?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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[tantek] ^ aaronpk any idea why the Verge podcast is showing up twice (under Podcasts)?
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aaronpk two people submitted it to huffduffer
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aaronpk https://huffduffer.com/tags/indieweb
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Zegnat IndieWeb Dinner at Tibet! https://www.cafe-tibet.de/
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[tantek] Curious that Huffduffer is not de-duping on their end
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aaronpk agreed
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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[tantek] Even the mp3 link is the same
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aaronpk what should it do in that case? show multiple authors and bump it up in the feed?
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[tantek] The second one should be treated as a repost of the first :)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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gRegor timee.io is charging now to add additional timezones. Will find another thing to add time links on the schedule.
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (-54) "/* Saturday */ Move photo moment and make time for session planning" (view diff)
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aaronpk gRegor: https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20231101T1900&tz=Europe%2FLondon
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gRegor nice!
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aaronpk the list of timezones shown is the list of all unique timezones that any event was published in
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GWG gRegor: Can you update the template for timee to that?
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gRegor Cool and I see one of the times is already linked to that
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2023/Nuremberg (+27) "/* Weekend Schedule */ Sync up with schedule again" (view diff)
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gRegor Looks like Zegnat is already editing so won't touch it
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gRegor Yeah I'll set up a localtime template and deprecate the timee one
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gRegor what is timee
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Loqi Timee is a clock service to help convert between timezones, used on some IndieWebCamp schedule pages https://indieweb.org/Timee
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aaronpk bonus: no ads
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gRegor :)
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Zegnat gRegor I have 4 time links to the events.indieweb.org link, I believe.
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Zegnat And yeah, was trying my hand at editing on phone. We wanted to make session planning explicit in the schedule. And put the photo moment earlier because we know there are some people who will need to leave early.
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Zegnat But it should be fine to edit now if you want ;)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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gregorlove.com created /Template:localtime-link/doc (+792) "template doc" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Template:localtime-link (+151) "template" (view diff)
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gRegor what is localtime-link
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/localtime-link
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gRegor what is localtime-link
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/localtime-link
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gRegor hm
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gRegor That aside, appears to be working in the doc section there. Will try it on the schedule page.
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[KevinMarks] Consolidating posts in an activity stream is a bit tricky, as you have to decide what you're clustering on
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gregorlove.com edited /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (+127) "trying localtime-link template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2023/Nuremberg/Schedule (+466) "/* Saturday */ add localtime-link for session starts" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+112) "+multilingual sites popup" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2023-10-22-multilingual-websites (-11) "fix dfn and link, note popup, IWC template" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2023-10-22-multilingual-websites (+40) "+cat" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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Zegnat Just a formality as I think we are all here: but some indiewebbers are at Lange Kante 16
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[tantek] clustering != de-duping
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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[KevinMarks] You need to decide that the two you saw and mine kevinmarks on Huffduffer: The poster’s guide to the new internet - The Vergecast
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[KevinMarks] Episode webpage: https://huffduffer.com/kevinmarks/678532
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[KevinMarks] Media file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/524GE/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP7029501931.mp3?updated=1697826191
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Loqi [preview] [kevinmarks] The poster’s guide to the new internet - The Vergecast
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[KevinMarks] Are the same thing. (I didn't add the #indieweb tag)
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gRegor Since huffduffer permalinks have the username in them, it would be weird if I added the same audio file and it showed up as "repost of [someone I don't know]"
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gRegor But yeah, it could in theory create a permalink for each audio, then people could repost that and add their hashtags to it. That's the other current thing, each post the user can specify hashtags
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gRegor and description and title, now that I think about it
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gRegor The audio URL is really the only thing that would be the same among them
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gRegor For our use, though, we could use the mf2 from https://huffduffer.com/tags/indieweb and de-dupe based on the parsed audio URL in this-week
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aaronpk and pick a random one to use for the name?
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[tantek] The first one by date huffduffed
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aaronpk let's try the simple one for now, which is just to dedupe on name+url
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[tantek] 👍
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aaronpk hacks the code
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gRegor 😎
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aaronpk 4 minutes until we find out if aaronpk broke the newsletter
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2023-10-27 2:00pm PDT (#7065)
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[tantek] What is test in production
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Loqi test in production is (AKA testing in production) deploying code changes to a web site or service typically visible to the public as part of checking to see if the code changes function as expected, and is practiced by some IndieWeb creators especially with their own projects as a form of eating their own cooking, often before publishing code changes to an open source repository https://indieweb.org/test_in_production
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gRegor hehe
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Loqi we find out if aaronpk broke the newsletter
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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[schmarty] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (116 in all channels)
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aaronpk good enough for now
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gRegor nice!
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[aciccarello] [capjamesg] Looks like we are missing the photo for the multilanguage sites popup
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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aaronpk hey
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aaronpk ok one more time
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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aaronpk dammit
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-10-27.html
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aaronpk there we go
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aaronpk now it dedupes on audio URL
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c​apjamesg Good newsletter!
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[tantek] aaronpk++ nicely done!
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Loqi aaronpk has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (117 in all channels)
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