#meta 2024-02-29

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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /events/2024-24-28-hwc-europe to /events/2024-02-28-hwc-europe "fix date in slug"
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2024/02/homebrew-website-club-pacific-gT9WhdtBhsjs events/2024-02-28-hwc-pacific
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2024-02-28-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe created /events/2024-02-28-hwc-pacific (+4934) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+76) "02/28 HWCs" (view diff)
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gRegor what is gravatar
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Loqi Gravatar is a silo service run by Automattic to host a profile photo (avatar) for e-mail addresses https://indieweb.org/gravatar
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gregorlove.com edited /rel-me (+146) "/* Service Support */ Gravatar" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rel-me (+2) "/* Gravatar */ fix heading level" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Gravatar (+83) "Features: rel-me" (view diff)
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gRegor [lifeofpablo], was next HWC Pacific discussed? Is it every two weeks?
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tantek.com edited /indieweb.txt (+676) "note historical, dfn markup, was, summarize description in dfn, why not (about and colophon already here), heading levels cleanup, code markup, sessions, see also" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Feb 28, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/574/history/1600/diff
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gRegor I ran across indieweb.txt on someone's site just the other day, hadn't seen that before
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Feb 28, 2024 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/571/history/1601/diff
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[tantek] gRegor whoa! then clearly the page needs an update 😂 can you find it in your browser history and add it to an IndieWeb Examples (and update the dfn?)
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gRegor Sure!
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gregorlove.com edited /indieweb.txt (+358) "+Example" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] If people started implementing that, I'd push for HTML over TXT
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gRegor Yeah, seems like about/colophon/uses pages cover most of it
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gRegor Interesting that Mike's example (and humans.txt) is linked in the nav, so at least it's discoverable. Only reason I found it :)
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[aciccarello] I put my indieweb related techinical notes in my colophon page
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[tantek] aciccarello add your +1 to the HTML instead comment here! https://indieweb.org/indieweb.txt#Feedback
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gregorlove.com created /CSS_reset (+47) "r" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] What page has our recommendations for wiki page organization?
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[tantek] do you mean personal wiki or IndieWeb community wiki?
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[aciccarello] the community wiki
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[tantek] what is wikify
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of capturing information and ideas on the wiki https://indieweb.org/wikify
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[aciccarello] I thought it was that page or https://indieweb.org/indieweb-style-guide but I don't see what I'm looking for
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[aciccarello] There was a page that listed how sections should be organized and formats for citations
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[aciccarello] Is there a problem rendering the wikify page??
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[aciccarello] I don't see anything after the indieweb examples
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[aciccarello] Maybe the --> is causing issues
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[tantek] no
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[tantek] looks like http://Islandinthenet.com errantly removed a "-" from the --> and broke the page
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Loqi [preview] About This Website
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tantek.com edited /wikifying (+0) "fix accidentally broken HTML comment closer" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok that's weird
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[tantek] there's LOTS of pages in the wiki with HTML comments. if something broke with HTML comment closers in the wiki recently then lots of pages are going to be broken
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[aciccarello] 😬
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[tantek] yup this looks like a Mediawiki bug
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[tantek] sigh
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aaronpk oh dear
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[tantek] looks like Mediawiki is escaping instead of allowing HTML comments now, and then breaking and omitting the rest of the page
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tantek.com edited /wikifying (-74) "remove HTML comment and kylewm benwerd examples for now since MediaWiki seems to have broken HTML comments in pages" (view diff)
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aaronpk they're still documented https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Comment_tags
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[tantek] no they're not broken on /Planning
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[tantek] interesting
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[tantek] digging
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www.ciccarello.me edited /indieweb.txt (+210) "Add feedback and format list" (view diff)
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aaronpk maybe it's because of the ul
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aaronparecki.com edited /test (+241) "testing comments" (view diff)
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aaronpk well that worked
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aaronparecki.com edited /test (+8) (view diff)
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aaronpk i don't get it
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[tantek] found it lol
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aaronparecki.com edited /test (-5) "aha" (view diff)
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aaronpk found it
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aaronpk that is definitely a mediawiki bug
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[tantek] http://Islandinthenet.com did break the page, though with an em-dash replacing the --
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Loqi [preview] About This Website
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[tantek] maybe this was something the MediaWiki "visual editor" did?
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aaronpk oh wait i am wrong
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aaronpk ohh i get it, so your "fix" just added a regular hyphen but didn't change the em-dash?
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tantek.com edited /wikifying (+72) "fix HTML comment closer" (view diff)
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[tantek] right, because the diff looked like they just removed a dash
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aaronpk haha yeah ok
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aaronpk i didn't think we had a visual editor
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[tantek] it's possible it's a cookie setting from an old Preferences page?
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[tantek] I think the visual editor is still there, just hidden
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[tantek] wikify << FAQ: Why is the page broken or empty after an HTML comment? A: look for an em-dash (—) as part of the HTML comment closer that may have been errantly added in a recent change, maybe by someone using the MediaWiki Visual Editor, and fix it by making sure all HTML comment tags use dash-dash (--) not any special dash (en-dash '–' or em-dash '—').
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Loqi ok, I added "FAQ: Why is the page broken or empty after an HTML comment? A: look for an em-dash (—) as part of the HTML comment closer that may have been errantly added in a recent change, maybe by someone using the MediaWiki Visual Editor, and fix it by making sure all HTML comment tags use dash-dash (--) not any special dash (en-dash '–' or em-dash '—')." to the "See Also" section of /wikifying https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=93552&oldid=93550
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[tantek] aciccarello++ thanks for the find and heads-up
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Loqi aciccarello has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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[aciccarello] Glad we were able to figure it out!
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[tantek] once I found a functioning example ( /Planning page) it was a matter of comparison, process of elimination, copy/paste binary search
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gregorlove.com edited /Firefish (+42) "link dfn, fix blog link" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Ha, I was about to fix that
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[aciccarello] [tantek] Do you know what the relevance of the image is at the bottom of this page? https://indieweb.org/Misskey
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[aciccarello] Oh, JK, noticed the fork text
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[tantek] yes, "our misskey fork" "their misskey fork" 😂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
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[aciccarello] What is Sharkey
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Sharkey" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Sharkey is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[aciccarello] Our one Firefish indieweb example is now using Sharkey
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[aciccarello] I'm debating whether it's better to document these forks under Misskey or create (yet another) page?
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[aciccarello] The firefish page also has some notes about bridgy support
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[tantek] If there is an active IndieWeb example, IMO it's worth creating a separate stub page
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[tantek] catch all is: when in doubt, document in a section on an existing page, until that section grows "enough" to seemingly be worth a separate page
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[tantek] what is what should be on the wiki
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "what should be on the wiki" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "what should be on the wiki is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is relevant to the wiki
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "relevant to the wiki" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "relevant to the wiki is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hm
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[tantek] relevant to the wiki is /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /relevant_to_the_wiki (+42) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] what should be on the wiki is /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /what_should_be_on_the_wiki (+42) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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lifeofpablo.com edited /indieweb-carnival (+16) "/* Hosting */" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is definition
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Loqi A definition on the IndieWeb wiki should be an accessible, basic, clear, plain English description of the term (or phrase) naming a wiki page, with an explicit connection to the term’s relevance to the IndieWeb, and ideally without any use of jargon https://indieweb.org/definition
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[tantek] what should be on the wiki << If there is an active IndieWeb example, IMO it's worth creating a separate stub page with a brief definition noting its IndieWeb relevance, and an IndieWeb Examples section at a minimum. — {{t}}
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Loqi ok, I added "If there is an active IndieWeb example, IMO it's worth creating a separate stub page with a brief definition noting its IndieWeb relevance, and an IndieWeb Examples section at a minimum. — {{t}}" to the "See Also" section of /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=93558&oldid=92313
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[tantek] wikify << When in doubt whether to create a new page or not for something, start with documenting that something in a section on an existing page, until that section grows "enough" to seemingly be worth a separate page, and then create that separate page, move the content there, and leave behind a 2-3 sentence summary and a "main" template pointing to the new page.
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Loqi ok, I added "When in doubt whether to create a new page or not for something, start with documenting that something in a section on an existing page, until that section grows "enough" to seemingly be worth a separate page, and then create that separate page, move the content there, and leave behind a 2-3 sentence summary and a "main" template pointing to the new page." to the "See Also" section of /wikifying https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=93559&oldid=93552
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[aciccarello] What is Sharkey?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Sharkey" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Sharkey is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /Firefish (+83) "update indieweb example to note previous usage" (view diff)
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gRegor forks all the way down
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www.ciccarello.me edited /Misskey (+431) "Add notes about forks" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me created /Sharkey (+21) "Add redirect" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Meh, IDK what I'm doing. Hopefully that's useful.
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