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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+6) "planning page link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (+389) "lobbycon NH moderate chance, needs someone staying there, move a few "interested" to "confirmed"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+190) "add GWG as co-organizer for remote participation and session recording/archiving, note other organizer roles" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (-6) "full event link, shorter link, no more RSVP option for that, get your official ticket" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+25) "+2024/Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:indiewebcamps-timeline (+36) "2024 Düsseldorf is a go" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+229) "/* San Diego */ put up some candidate December weekend dates, three good for me, not last weekend in December" (view diff)
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] [Al_Abut] gRegor, I know we're months away, however I figured I might as well put up a few potential December weekend dates to see if anyone has any vibes about any of them, take a look and please add your current thoughts/feels: https://indieweb.org/Planning#San_Diego (and anyone else that went to IWC SD last year, GWG, etc.)
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artlung.com edited /Planning (+106) "/* San Diego - Joe Crawford */" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+79) "move Mastodon copy to be primary (of btconf announcement)" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /Planning (+112) "/* San Diego */ add votes on weekends" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /generations (+39) "complete image description" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary "tickets available, CTA to book travel in summary" https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1658/diff
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (+1) ". for complete dfn for Loqi" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, [sarajaksa] if you sign-up for btconf DUS as well, add yourself here: https://indieweb.org/Beyond_Tellerrand#2024_DUS
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GWG I don't think I'm staying
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[tantek] ok
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GWG I would like to do some sightseeing on Friday if I can.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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[tantek] That new page definition is so tautological 🙈
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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GWG Making all my Dusseldorf arrangements today/weekend
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GWG me++
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Loqi me has 1 karma over the last year
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[aciccarello] you++
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Loqi you has 1 karma over the last year
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[aciccarello] lol
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GWG us++
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Loqi us has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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gregorlove.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (-76) "dfn" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+90) "/* Hotels */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (-144) (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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gRegor [Joe_Crawford], if you update the study hall event and enter the Summary field, that will show up under the title, like the HWC Europe does here: https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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gRegor Which goes out in the email. Was thinking a short summary might help draw attention.
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[Joe_Crawford] On it...
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Loqi [Event Updated] artlung.com updated "Apr 24, 2024 12:00pm Front End Study Hall" changed summary "(added summary to land in newsletter)" https://events.indieweb.org/event/592/history/1659/diff
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[Joe_Crawford] gRegor++ Thanks for the nudge!
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Loqi gRegor has 49 karma in this channel over the last year (122 in all channels)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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gRegor Nice, looks good!
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[Joe_Crawford] Yeah! Great idea!
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Zegnat .
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Loqi Zegnat: [tantek] left you a message 6 days, 18 hours ago: are you still looking for potential venues for IWC Dusseldorf? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Dusseldorf We could really use some help with a Sunday venue for the hack day and demos!
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Zegnat Sorry, I have been away from chats. And it turns out name mentions were not actually turning into notifications either! :o h/t sknebel who might have helped me fix that now.
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Zegnat I do not remember when I was last talking about DUS. And cannot find it in the wiki history either right now. I know I had put some feelers out, including through some family members, but did not turn up anything yet :(
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Zegnat I did find a contact at ITERGO, but that would have required pitching it as an event that they would be interested in. If memory serves right, I spoke with jkphl about that option too. I believe he knows someone at ITERGO as well. Neither of us had the bandwidth at the time to actually pitch anything IIRC.
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Zegnat !tell tantek tldr of above: my old contacts in Düsseldorf have not turned up any suitable locations. I should probably remove my name from the wiki now, as I am not actively searching at the moment.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Planning (-147) "/* Dusseldorf */ no obvious venues from feelers I sent out in November. Also will not be able to make it in May myself." (view diff)
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gRegor Hmm, that section should probably be archived from /Planning. https://indieweb.org/2024/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Planning was set up this week and has other updates.
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Zegnat goes to mirror his change there
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (-147) "no obvious venues from feelers I sent out in November. Also will not be able to make it in May myself." (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning () "(-1093) /* Dusseldorf */ rm duplicate content after confirming it's on /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning" (view diff)
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[tantek] Thank you for the follow-up Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (21 in all channels)
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Loqi [tantek]: Zegnat left you a message 54 minutes ago: tldr of above: my old contacts in Düsseldorf have not turned up any suitable locations. I should probably remove my name from the wiki now, as I am not actively searching at the moment.
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[tantek] and welcome back Zegnat!
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[tantek] Do you think you might be able to make it to IWC DUS?
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Zegnat No, my May is completely booked :( Both with people coming to Gothenburg that I am meeting, and me travelling for work (in the wrong direction)
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Zegnat I am going to add Berlin to my calendar though, because I really should be able to _at least_ make it to 1 EU IWC yearly!
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GWG Zegnat: Darn
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GWG I always enjoy a Zegnat attended event
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Zegnat I will call in if possible. Though ESC is also happening the week of IWC DUS
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[tantek] Zegnat, can you update your "interested" for Berlin 2024? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Berlin (you're listed as past interested in 2023 currently)
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[tantek] I am also actively working on a venue for Berlin.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Planning (+0) "/* Berlin */ Bump myself up one list from interested in 2023 to interested in 2024!" (view diff)
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Zegnat [tantek]: done!
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[tantek] woohoo!
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Loqi 😄
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gregorlove.com created /health-and-safety (+1806) "Created page with "{{stub}} A '''<dfn>health and safety policy</dfn>''' is a document that describes the guidelines and approaches an event, organization, or individual will take to maintain the health and safety of people. == Why == It is important for organizers to have policies in place that mitigate the spread of illness, an important part of accessibility. <blockquote> Attending an in-person event today brings with it significantly more risk than it did in 2019 when robust mitigatio..."" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /health-and-safety (+112) "/* Other Examples */ +archive link, newest first" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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tantek.com edited /health-and-safety (+116) "dfn IndieWeb relevance" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, can I put you down for being in charge of remote participation / session recordings for IWC DUS?
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GWG How many setups do I need?
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-04-19.html
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[tantek] GWG, I'd say one dedicated, and one that assumes someone else brings a second laptop. I will also try to get Joschi to bring his 360d Android Zoom thingie
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GWG Okay, I have something that can work
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+452) "mv blogs.harvard to 2023, add read-only archive citation" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+498) "/* Upcoming */ +Post News" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+109) "/* Post News */ archived link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+140) "mv Revue, note last archive of domain online" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+285) "mv Kinja, note the 1 working profile redirects to deadspin.com profile now" (view diff)
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gRegor Well that cleans up the "upcoming" section
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[tantek] nice
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tantek.com edited /Revue (+1) "redirect to its site-deaths subsection" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /newsletter (-299) "move Revue section to a list item and link to its site-death" (view diff)
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gRegor Interesting dive here, was trying to figure out the history of the vidigosocial on site-deaths. From IA it looks like it was a forum that died in 2020, came back briefly 2020-10. Not sure any indieweb relevance. Was apparently added via a tumblr.com subdomain here: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=site-deaths&diff=prev&oldid=30051
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gRegor Safe to remove?
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gRegor eek, zombie domain with nsfw content in the post 2020 archives btw. Yeah, I'm going to remove it.
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+278) "/* Revue */ merge content from newsletter page, clean-up disparate prose into a timeline list, nowiki dead links" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (-335) "rm vidigosocial/zippcast links; appear to be forum links added in 2016, no indieweb relevance, and zombie domains now. Originally added: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=site-deaths&diff=prev&oldid=30051" (view diff)
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gRegor what is wiki customization
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Loqi MediaWiki customizations are changes to the default install of MediaWiki that the IndieWeb community has made for various reasons to better serve how the community uses the wiki https://indieweb.org/wiki_customization
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[tantek] what are lost domains
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Loqi lost sites are former sites (including IndieWeb sites) on domains that the owner abandoned or lost control over (AKA domain deaths), are unresponsive or often taken over by other parties, sometimes turned into zombies; links to such domains should be replaced with Internet Archive versions https://indieweb.org/lost_domains
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[tantek] gRegor, since the wiki used to link to that domain (presumably), and it turned zombie (did it really or "just" a spam / obv other abuse?), could you add it accordingly to /lost_domains
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gRegor I don't think they were ever indieweb relevant, though. Both were added by that user, their only contribution.
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[tantek] btw the bar for putting/keeping things on /site-deaths isn't direct IndieWeb relevance, rather, it's more "did any users lose any content?". the point of of site-deaths is to illustrate, annually, how many random "free" content hosting sites die, to make it very clear that a "bunch of money" doesn't mean anything in terms of longevity. it's a critique meant to contrast IndieWeb efforts
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[tantek] yeah if no one can verify that any user content was lost, ok to drop them
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gRegor True. They were forums and looked like old forum software (design wise at least), so I'm sure their posts were lost.
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[tantek] another decent (though not required) filter is, is there any even *mention* of these silos on Wikipedia (nevermind their own pages). I checked and none / neither
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[tantek] like we don't need to track every hobby silo project
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gRegor yeah
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[tantek] if someone shows up and claims to be a user of it, that's a good enough bar for me tho
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[tantek] then we can ask them about rough number of posts / users etc and at least have an anecdotal estimate
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gRegor Should we limit *.tumblr.com wiki sign in here? https://github.com/indieweb/mediawiki-extensions/blob/main/LassoAuth.php#L20
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aaronpk weird, i thought we did already
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[tantek] I mean yes we should
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[tantek] Heads-up in case you suddenly see new people, or "established folks" that you've never met in person start to ask to help maintain any OSS projects (including #indieweb or #microformats repos), especially to help "update" them for "security" fixes: https://openjsf.org/blog/openssf-openjs-alert-social-engineering-takeovers