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Loqi 🤝 handshake is a type of post, typically a short note, that has some text, then a handshake emoji (🤝), and some more text, indicating two things or parties who are different, yet seemingly agree or collaborate on something in common https://indieweb.org/handshake
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[morganm] [tantek] tantek I feel there is a lot of nuance and interesting discussion about ceremony. Making a PR was a vaunted thing in my journey from a bootcamp, basically we would make PRs for the vaunted senior to approve, and there is definitely a ceremony about it that seeps out from its purpose.
# [morganm] Wikipedia will always hold a particular place for its insistence anyone can edit it with some limitations but yeah, just having the edit a click away, it will cease to be quite what it was if they change that.
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capjamesg[d] URL shorteners << URL shortners should not be used in official communications: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/06/the-irony-of-ticketmasters-breach-notification-email/
# Loqi ok, I added "URL shortners should not be used in official communications: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/06/the-irony-of-ticketmasters-breach-notification-email/" to the "See Also" section of /URL_shortener https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95960&oldid=84589
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# [naturestudy] tantek++ re: git(hub) ceremony rant. Thank you. I needed that
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tantek.com edited /URL_shortener (+36) "Third Party URL shorteners in particular, add spaces where line breaks were removed, nowiki a bitly link" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] I think the friction is because GitHub wasn’t made for writing.
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# capjamesg[d] (If I understand we are comparing to MediaWiki here?)
# capjamesg[d] [tantek] I have used Git for years and I don't understand most of it.
# [morganm] Julia Evans has an amazing zine out about git recently
# capjamesg[d] Which is to say there is so much friction that I don't even know what I could do.
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# [morganm] I felt really proud of my git abilities in my earlier career, I was the most recent adopter of git when they had previously used SVN. But then I realized like many people I just had a knowledge of like 5-6 repetitive shell commands I clicked up for on the terminal and didnt branch out much from that
# capjamesg[d] [tantek] I think we need to treat code and words as separate mediums. They may both be text, but they are different worlds. The consequences of bad code being deployed (which often happens after a review and merge, those two stages being the human vouching for the stability of the code) are significantly higher than the consequences of a bad wiki change (that can be rolled back quickly).
# capjamesg[d] Agreed re: CLIs not being memorable.
# capjamesg[d] Especially the trend to have single letter flags.
# capjamesg[d] I can _never_ remember how to tar/untar a file.
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[schmarty] i found it really useful to read through some of the folks teaching git internals stuff back in the day.
# capjamesg[d] You need to remember four disparate letters to do it IIRC.
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# [schmarty] syntax aside, understanding how git represents and works with content got me interested in a lot of related stuff, like content-addressed storage.
# [morganm] https://wizardzines.com/zines/git/
# [morganm] ^ The Git Zine by Julia Evans
# [morganm] I endorse it strongly
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# [morganm] If my description rings any bells to anyone else about knowing a few shell commands and feeling magical
# [Joe_Crawford] I love a good rant, of course, tantek, but it sounds like you wish Git did not exist. I will disagree with that wish, if I'm hearing you right.
# [morganm] I fully entertain some future thing being better and ubiquitous, and it doesnt make sense for a lot of small websites in truth
# [Joe_Crawford] I can't tell what you're saying then. But I like cantankerous bitching as much as anyone.
# [Joe_Crawford] I can't disagree that as a valid point of view.
# [Joe_Crawford] I find Git useful to collaborate on software and find the tooling in GitHub and in a solid GUI interface (I like SourceTree) useful mechanisms to reason about Git workflows to plan software. (In fact I find it so useful I was able to do some code review for David in the last hour and it was great!).
# [Joe_Crawford] But I'll cop to the fact that it's not better than, say, a Google Doc or the old SubEthaEdit for editing text collaboratively.
# [morganm] Git was such a big formative part of my recent career, I think I partially convinced myself that it was like a performance, some kind of positive framing of ceremony. Like I was going to bring forward stuff like PR’s which were so pristine they would pass through a judgment sessions, so I definitely see the ceremony aspect
# [morganm] Right on! My favorite right now is Obsidian for Mac, and Ive tried Logseq as well
# [Joe_Crawford] I think about the fact that the legislative process is a source code and I'd love to see the visibility and simplicity of a pull request when it comes to reviewing drafts of legislation. That need not be git, of course, but I think a web page constituting a PR is a very readable way to review and comment on a set of changes. I'm not pretending git is the best for every task of course.
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[KevinMarks] the good thing about git is the "keep all the versions" baseline mentality, and its effective patch model meaning you can sync different forks; the bad thing is when that obtrudes into simpler tasks. Previous veriosn control with locks was a lot more annoying and gatekept
# [KevinMarks] forking used to be a hostile political act, now it's the first thing you do
# [KevinMarks] I wrote a bit about this before https://epeus.blogspot.com/2012/05/keep-all-versions.html
# capjamesg[d] [KevinMarks]++
# capjamesg[d] I will have to watch the referenced TWiT episode now 😄
# Loqi Git is a popular distributed source control management system that can be used to host and share code from independent sites https://indieweb.org/git
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gRegor git << [https://wizardzines.com/zines/git/ How Git Works zine] by Julia Evans
# Loqi ok, I added "[https://wizardzines.com/zines/git/ How Git Works zine] by Julia Evans" to the "See Also" section of /git https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95962&oldid=92718
# [morganm] 🙏 Good add. Julia does the best job of anyone Ive encountered
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