#meta 2025-04-18

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[tantek] [artlung] appreciate the efficient spam removal. will watch for your PRs 🙂
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[tantek] [artlung]++
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Loqi [artlung] has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (42 in all channels)
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[artlung] utc turnover is right when css battle daily target rolls out so I'm usually at a computer. 🙂
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] We have a teapot newsletter this year!!!
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[tantek] cc all the brits
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capjamesg 😂
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loqi.me created /null (+262) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /null (+112) "[tantek] added "https://www.techspot.com/news/106907-people-named-null-punished-computers-weirdest-ways.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+509) "adding a questions section - when, and what about js?" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (-6) "call it a faq" (view diff)
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[artlung] [tantek] ^
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[tantek] 👀
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[tantek] FAQ Looks great! [artlung]++
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Loqi [artlung] has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (43 in all channels)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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[tantek] What, no happy teapot day posts? 😆 cc: capjamesg [marksuth]
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[marksuth] I’ve been too busy observing the tea time alarm to post it
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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artlung.com edited /like (+299) "adding artlung, mention of Twig, link to gist" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /418 (+259) "Did you know HTTP 418 is officially reserved these days, because of all the teapots?" (view diff)
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Zegnat [tantek]: at least I can add some info to the 418 page ;) ^
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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[tantek] Zegnat++ yessssss!!! Let's get /418 to the top of the most edited pages for today's newsletter 😆
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Loqi Zegnat has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (13 in all channels)
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[tantek] lol should we encourage /418 slash pages / named pages for indieweb folks to return a page with photo of their current teapot? Or history of their personal teapots?
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Zegnat 418 << [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Little_Teapot I’m a Little Teapot] (Wikipedia)
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Little_Teapot I’m a Little Teapot] (Wikipedia)" to the "See Also" section of /418 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100953&oldid=100952
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Zegnat 418 << Even people can be teapots, [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheTeapotPose strike the pose]
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Loqi ok, I added "Even people can be teapots, [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheTeapotPose strike the pose]" to the "See Also" section of /418 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100954&oldid=100953
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[tantek] 418 << brainstorm: a /418 [[well known]] name page that returns a page with photo of an indieweb person's current teapot? Or history of their personal teapots? Maybe rel=alternate type=image/jpeg for auto discovery of the actual photo because conneg--
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Loqi conneg has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-29 in all channels)
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Loqi ok, I added "brainstorm: a /418 [[well known]] name page that returns a page with photo of an indieweb person's current teapot? Or history of their personal teapots? Maybe rel=alternate type=image/jpeg for auto discovery of the actual photo because conneg--" to the "See Also" section of /418 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100955&oldid=100954
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[tantek] Hahaha that worked! Two Loqi commands in one chat message ✊ successkid.gif
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat Mmm. But if I have both /418 and /8675, am I supposed to fill all numbers in between as well? :P
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[tantek] I think Wikipedia answers that question (by looking up numbers between those two on Wikipedia) 😄
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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marksuth.dev edited /events/2025-04-16-hwc-europe (+38) (view diff)
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gRegor what is null
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Loqi null is a programming language term and a family name for some people who due to that overlap experience problems with some computer systems; on the indieweb developers should use strings for names and test for "Null" as a valid value https://indieweb.org/null
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gRegor Haha, love that on /418 “deployed as a joke often enough for the code to be unusable for any future use”
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Zegnat Amazing how they put that in the new(er) RFC :D
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[tantek] so good
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[tantek] only 3 edits to go to get 418 on top!
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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[tantek] Twitter << Criticism: similar to Argument Machine points and expanding thereupon, applicable to [[Mastodon]] and [[Bluesky]] as well: 2025-04-12 {{osteophage}}: [https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/twitterlike Twitterlike is a Bad Shape]
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: similar to Argument Machine points and expanding thereupon, applicable to [[Mastodon]] and [[Bluesky]] as well: 2025-04-12 {{osteophage}}: [https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/twitterlike Twitterlike is a Bad Shape]" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100957&oldid=100155
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[tantek] oh hey osteophage, you don't have a sparkline template for yourself! you should make one!
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[tantek] what is sparkline
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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[tantek] note the " wikify: Add a sparkline (for your username)" link there
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:google-error-418-im-a-teapot.png "Page titled “Error 418 (I’m a teapot)!?” available on https://www.google.com/teapot (accessed 2025-04-18) https://indieweb.org/File:google-error-418-im-a-teapot.png"
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vanderven.se martijn edited /418 (+295) "Get examples section going" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /418 (+412) "Might as well throw in a link for HTCPCP-TEA extension (RFC 7168) for completion sake" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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vanderven.se martijn edited /418 (+2104) "/* Examples */ Expand Google with media links & information about tilting device + add Stack Overflow" (view diff)
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gRegor haha, didn't know about the tilting
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vanderven.se martijn edited /418 (+503) "/* See Also */ Gone digging through some of the Google links, mostly nothing burger" (view diff)
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Zegnat gRegor: neither did I until I saw the video
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Zegnat Always fun to link to 10 year old YT content :D
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Zegnat I think I exhausted my energy for that page now. Hope those edits are enough to push it to the top [tantek] ;)
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gRegor haha
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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Zegnat You know what, actually, I still have some tabs open ...
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Zegnat 418 << https://thenewstack.io/tempest-teapot-error-compleat-history-418-return-code/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://thenewstack.io/tempest-teapot-error-compleat-history-418-return-code/" to the "See Also" section of /418 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100963&oldid=100962
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Zegnat 418 << https://exceptionnotfound.net/http-418-im-a-teapot-just-a-joke-or-something-more/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://exceptionnotfound.net/http-418-im-a-teapot-just-a-joke-or-something-more/" to the "See Also" section of /418 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100964&oldid=100963
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Zegnat If anyone wants to turn those into proper {{citation}}s, please :)
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Zegnat Another super fun thing about the google page is that the whole animation when you interact with it is sprite based: https://www.gstatic.com/teapot/teapot.png
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[artlung] I do love a sprite image.
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[tantek] Hahaha amazing well done Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (14 in all channels)
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Loqi hahaha
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Zegnat Oh, actually, looks like there is a high DPI version of the sprite! https://www.gstatic.com/teapot/teapot_2x.png
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Zegnat Full hover animation seems to be done with CSS (rotate, transparency, keyframes to loop through the 3 pour streams)
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:teapot_2x.png "Sprite sheet used by Google’s [[418]] page as of 2025-04-18. https://indieweb.org/File:teapot_2x.png"
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gRegor I'm more fond of Dr Pepper, but Sprite is good
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[tantek] 😆
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[artlung] This is the kind of nonsense that could, in theory inspire me to make a sprite sheet of Sprite™ products.
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[artlung] I MUST RESIST
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] [artlung] sounds like a fun(ny) exercise for the next FreSH 😄 🍋
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[tantek] lemony fresh
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[artlung] I had a background of sprite sheets for #005. https://indieweb.org/File:2024-06-18-FrESH-Group-Photo.jpg
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[artlung] https://indieweb.org/events/2024-06-18-front-end-study-hall
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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gRegor [angel on shoulder] "do it, Joe"
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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gregorlove.com edited /blag (+117) "dfn, minor reformatting" (view diff)
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gRegor what is blag
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Loqi blag is a static site generator used by some indieweb community members https://indieweb.org/blag
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tantek.com edited /Düsseldorf (+73) "other spellings for findability" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Duesseldorf (+25) "r" (view diff)
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[tantek] gah where did I use the multicolumn image thing from mediawiki? I can't find it
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gRegor gallery tag? On /streak I think
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[tantek] there's a page on our wiki with two columns of images that I used a special mediawiki syntax / construct for and I don't remember it offhand
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[tantek] oooh
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[tantek] gRegor++ good memory!
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Loqi gRegor has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (104 in all channels)
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gRegor I swear this name or the "Mcmpcom Ltd" is familiar, from a recent, spammy page? Can't find it searching, though maybe all deleted. https://indieweb.org/sirchanmp.vivaldi.net
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gRegor I'm going to at least delete that page. They have a User: page
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gregorlove.com deleted /sirchanmp.vivaldi.net "this info should be on the existing page in the user space, /User:Sirchanmp.vivaldi.net"
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tantek.com edited /gallery (+586) "Software Examples, Mediawiki" (view diff)
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[tantek] redirect it
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[tantek] oh nm ok
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[tantek] should we be blocking vivaldi .net subdomains for IndieLogin?
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tantek.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+17) "sprite sprites :)" (view diff)
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gRegor maybe
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gRegor what is vivaldi
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vivaldi" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "vivaldi is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor what is mediawiki customization
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Loqi MediaWiki customizations are changes to the default install of MediaWiki that the IndieWeb community has made for various reasons to better serve how the community uses the wiki https://indieweb.org/mediawiki-customization
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gRegor found it: https://indieweb.org/User:Drcklinn.vivaldi.net
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gRegor handy external link search: https://indieweb.org/Special:LinkSearch?target=*.vivaldi.net&namespace=2
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gRegor So at least two pretty suspicious examples with this "mcmpcom ltd"
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gRegor Though that one is at least experimenting with some indieweb stuff? Hm. https://fed.brid.gy/web/drcklinn.vivaldi.net
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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Zegnat I did not know that Vivaldi gave people their own subdomain. Thought it was limited to the Mastodon instance on https://social.vivaldi.net/
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gRegor Huh, yeah I don't see info for it on the main pages
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tantek.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+315) "try gallery" (view diff)
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gRegor Ah https://help.vivaldi.com/services/vivaldi-blogs/create-a-new-blog/
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[tantek] yep, worth adding to domain login blocks IMO. cc aaronpk
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[tantek] subdomain login blocks
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[tantek] gallery worked on FrESH!
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[tantek] ok this may help with some of the "scroll" of the page
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[artlung] [tantek]++ go for it!
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tantek.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (-316) "/* Meetings */ gallery'ed 2025 meetings" (view diff)
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[tantek] [artlung] take a look before I convert the rest: https://indieweb.org/Front_End_Study_Hall#2025 compare 2025 to 2024
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[artlung] I think it's a fine change.
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[artlung] Thanks!
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loqi.me created /🫖 (+16) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:Front_End_Study_Hall (+58) "added most recent" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /418 (+18) "emoicon" (view diff)
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[tantek] great!
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tantek.com edited /418 (+1) "emoji for tea" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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tantek.com edited /Substack (+95) "stub IndieWeb Examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /San_Francisco (+79) "link SF events" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /San_Francisco (+124) "+Events grouping for upcoming events plus past HWC IWC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /small_web (-39) "most recently a Mastodon account" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Friendica (+5) "rename past selfdogfooding term to current phrase using what you make" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Friendica (+62) "link principle" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Friendica (+17) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ section stub. gotta have someone here that's using this" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Friendica (+25) "social web, linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /like (-15) "remove unnecessary TOC and extra vert space" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /like (-1) "-ws" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /like (+50) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ more specific CTA" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /like (-17) "/* Acegiak */ use sparkline" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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tantek.com edited /like () "(-1226) /* IndieWeb Examples */ rm unnecessary newer example and a prev example, and some extra vert space" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /small_web (+228) "move an SA to a new Directories section, add smallweb.cc to dfn" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-04-18.html
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tantek.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (-77) "/* Meetings */ gallery'd 2024 meetings" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ [artlung] finished gallerying the FrESH Meetings photos, take a look: https://indieweb.org/Front_End_Study_Hall#Meetings — try resizing the width of your window too, I like the reflow personally. Curious what you think of it from a frontend perspective, naturally 🙂
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[artlung] I think it's a big win [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (161 in all channels)
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[tantek] I figure the FrESH page in particular needs to have some good frontend behaviors 🙂
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[tantek] glad to hear it 🙏