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hisvirusness.com created /User:Hisvirusness.com (+1489) "Created page with "<div class="p-summary">{{h-card |name=HisVirusness |url=https://HisVirusness.com/ |photo=https://hisvirusness.com/android-chrome-512x512.png |pronouns=he/him |email=HisVirusness@gmail.com |github=https://github.com/HisVirusness |instagram=https://instagram.com/HisVirusness |youtube=https://youtube.com/@HisVirusness }}</div> = HisVirusness = == Introduction == Hi, I'm Paul, and I'm an al... wait, wrong context. My name is Paul Mason: Graphic artist, writer, tinkerer, a..."" (view diff)
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hisvirusness.com edited /User:Hisvirusness.com (+6) "/* Why The Name? */" (view diff)
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hisvirusness.com edited /User:Hisvirusness.com (+0) "/* Interest In IndieWeb */" (view diff)
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hisvirusness.com edited /User:Hisvirusness.com (+0) "/* Interest In IndieWeb */" (view diff)
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hisvirusness.com edited /User:Hisvirusness.com (-17) "/* Interest In IndieWeb */" (view diff)
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[tantek] Do the IRC channels have their /topic set to at least a link to each of their archives and maybe a one sentence description?
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[tantek] Or do we need to add more key phrases for Loqi to respond to like "communication zero"? (See #indieweb )
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[mattl] They don’t usually have archives
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[mattl] But yes I think Loqi should say something if nobody has spoken in the last 5-10 mins.
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aaronpk Loqi could definitely greet people if nobody else has 😂
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aaronpk The topic links to /discuss and /coc but not the logs directly.
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[tantek] Yes, because IRC channels typically lack archives, IMO the topic should directly link to the logs for each channel in addition to /coc.
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[tantek] OTOH maybe this is a good way to self-filter out people who are (1) only interested in being "social" (find another channel for that), (2) use sarcasm as the very first thing they say
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[tantek] While normally I’m all for "curing with kindness" (I dislike the "killing with kindness phrase for being too violent), I also don't think it's the IndieWeb community's burden/responsibility to be that right off the bat for IRC randoms
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[tantek] (Who also can't be bothered to use the web or web search which also surfaces /discuss at the top which itself has a "Read discussions" heading near the top with links to chat archives
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[tantek] )
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[tantek] We could improve maybe the intro paragraph on /disucss with direct one word links to "archives" and "code of conduct" for the tl;dr skimming crowd (which is reasonable)
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[mattl] Can we also make the inverse of the cafe where people are in a channel that’s only used as the default and not much happens otherwise… you join, Loqi chats to you a bit… you find some other channels.
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[tantek] Haha that's a great idea.
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[tantek] Maybe indieweb-welcome or indieweb-introductions and Loqi literally responds to anyone's first post or even just seeing someone join who is not in /chat-names
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[tantek] "Welcome so and so! Please check out our code of conduct to start, and introduce yourself! What brought you here, what's your personal site, what would you like to do with it?"
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[0x3b0b] I find myself wondering if a little tweak to the phrasing might be good, but I'm not sure exactly how. The thought I had is that for _some_ folks, answering "what would you like to do with it" is likely to get Loqi almost immediately chiding them to go to -dev.
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[0x3b0b] Then again, if that's what they're turning up for, maybe that's a good thing.
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aaronpk now you're describing a lot of discord features 😂 they have a lot of things you can do to create onboarding/welcoming flows like that
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[tantek] Discord also has a lot of annoying upsell spam UI for Super Ultra Nitro or some such nonsense
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[tantek] 0x3b0b if a new dev gets easily offended by a bot nudging them to the proper channel then I’m ok if they self-select out. Would rather filter in patient devs who have understanding and sympathy for users
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osteophage I think some of this stuff is just kind of an inherent hurdle with chatrooms as a format. Self-selects for an expectation of immediacy.
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[mattl] Yeah, Discord is an attention suck and designed to sell gems to gamers
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gRegor I thought we already set up an onboarding thing for Discord, encouraging people to introduce themselves and such?
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capjamesg That already exists.
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capjamesg Sorry, that isn't clear. I meant to say yes, we already have set it up.
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capjamesg [tantek] I clicked a link on Discord this week and saw this call to action:
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capjamesg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577502586273792/1396601379904159907/Screenshot_2025-07-19_at_21.44.20.png?ex=687eade4&is=687d5c64&hm=0f05034de45f63c9aecf2490edda70b59836236e6e7b71e1a55e91fecd726960&
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capjamesg It took me a minute to even figure out how this is possible.
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[mattl] But only for Discord, so if someone joins via IRC they’re just sitting in an empty room
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capjamesg I assume that the feature is, in the background, adding a noreferrer attribute to every link o rsomething.
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gRegor "pay us and we won't spy on the links you click" cool cool
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[mattl] I honestly have never felt such contempt for software before Discord. It has completely destroyed my hobby and anything I would do off the computer.
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capjamesg My first reaction to seeing this message: so you're telling me I am going to need to pay for more privacy?
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capjamesg Privacy should not be a selling point.
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osteophage Yeah :(
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[mattl] I think it’s fine to sell privacy but not from the company that’s selling it.
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[mattl] What Discord is selling is a protection racket
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capjamesg Yeah, yours is a better articulation.
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osteophage That's a compelling way to put it.
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capjamesg I will pay for privacy-first services but not for a service that tries to sell me privacy as an add-on.
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[mattl] Yeah, privacy as an add-on feels like such a scam.
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[mattl] and you really have no idea if they’re even doing it
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osteophage Been thinking about what to start using more in place of Discord... Main suggestions I've seen are Revolt and Matrix, but to my understanding neither of those is bridged to this server. So I suppose also Slack?
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gRegor phpBB
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gRegor (or similar, Discourse if you want to be modern :))
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capjamesg I wonder if we could have an IndieWeb Signal bridge 😄
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capjamesg I would totally use that.
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capjamesg I don't know if it's technically possible though.
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[mattl] I’d say Discourse but they seem to be pushing AI and developed by AI 😕
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osteophage Wait, really? I hadn't seen anything about that.
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gRegor oof
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gRegor what is indieweb forum?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb forum" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieweb forum is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor what is forum
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Loqi IndieWebForum is an experimental place for people to ask questions and start discussions at a slower pace than in chat https://indieweb.org/forum
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gRegor indieweb forum is /IndieWebForum
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Loqi ok
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capjamesg ^^
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capjamesg We mainly use the forum to coordinate HWC Edinburghs but would love to see wider use!
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gRegor There's also that, running on /Flarum. No personal experience with it
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[mattl] https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-ai-spam-detection/343541
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[mattl] https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/AI-AGENTS.md
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osteophage Disappointing, since Discourse is what the 32-Bit Cafe uses....
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osteophage I hope none of this stuff messes with our experience there.
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[mattl] I stopped installing it for something I was looking at
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[mattl] I can’t trust that the code is open source
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gRegor Sounds like it can be turned off on 32BC, for now at least
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[mattl] You can turn off the spam stuff, but the code is being generated by slop.
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gRegor yeah, understood on that aspect
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skulbuny It'd be great to see an alternative to Discourse some day. It feels so heavy for a forum. If anyone ever needs a front end built hit me up 👀
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[mattl] I think the lightweight forums are harder to use and less fun to use but probably easier to maintain. Discourse is very nice to use, but I’m very wary of it now.
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[tantek] Yeah anything that claims to be OSS yet includes / allows AI generated code means it could be polluting the OSS with copyrighted or otherwise incompatibly licensed code. Nevermind inserting reliability or security flaws
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[mattl] It’s a nightmare and anyone who knows anything about open source licensing or values the commons would do well to stay clear of projects/people who are doing anything with it
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