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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-172) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] I don't think we have any guidance in our /discuss page about avoiding unsolicited direct messages to people you don't know, and perhaps we should. Feels "off" when people do it, and unfortunately there's a set of folks that either don't have the social clues to not do it, or they do it as a form of "cold call" marketing.
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gregorlove.com edited /coffee (+104) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
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dissolve22[d] xine on discord is DMing people (or at least me) for "side hustles" seems sketchy, just so people are aware
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[tantek] hmm, perhaps we should add that to /discuss at least then
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aaronpk I got a warning from discord that they sent too many DMs to non-friends soon after joining the server
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[tantek] maybe "ask for consent in a channel before dming someone you don't already know" in /discuss ?
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capjamesg ^^
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[tantek] ok let's start with that and iterate
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[tantek] discuss << Guideline: Please ask for consent in a channel before dming someone you don't already know (on Discord, IRC, Slack).
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Loqi ok, I added "Guideline: Please ask for consent in a channel before dming someone you don't already know (on Discord, IRC, Slack)." to the "See Also" section of /discuss https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103159&oldid=103044
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2025-08-04-discord-user-server-privacy-ui.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2025-08-04-discord-user-server-privacy-ui.png"
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gregorlove.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2025-08-04-discord-user-server-privacy-ui.png]]": blocked out other server name" (view diff)
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Loqi gRegor has 39 karma in this channel over the last year (112 in all channels)
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capjamesg gRegor++
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[tantek] gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (113 in all channels)
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gregorlove.com edited /Discord (+360) (view diff)
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gRegor For review: https://indieweb.org/Discord#How_to_restrict_direct_messages
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[tantek] looks good!
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doesnm there is also flag for IRC, i used it when some dumbs are doing spam dm waves on ILITA network
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gregorlove.com edited /Discord (+222) "/* How to restrict direct messages */ +discord support thread" (view diff)
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[tantek] doesnm, can you link to some docs on how to do that in IRC/
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[tantek] IRC?*
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doesnm [tantek]: i found this https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum/blob/main/help/users/umode
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doesnm interesting is +g, +G and +R
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gRegor wiki is down, time to go outside
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capjamesg aaronpk ^^
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gRegor `MediaWiki internal error.
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gRegor Cannot access the database: Connection refused (127.0.0.1)`
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doesnm ai crawlers again?
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[tantek] yup, might be time to get get brunch
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capjamesg [tantek] You should have the waffles!
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capjamesg Also on weather: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c9vdm9v4349t?post=asset%3A09dd7896-b439-484a-bdfe-8f5fb5339c49#post "Cows escape after Storm Floris blows down fence"
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capjamesg [edit] Also on weather: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c9vdm9v4349t?post=asset%3A09dd7896-b439-484a-bdfe-8f5fb5339c49#post "Cows escape after Storm Floris blows down fence"
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[tantek] capjamesg very tempted
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aaronpk weird, mysql crashed and didn't restart
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Loqi MySQL has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] MySQL--
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[tantek] database-antipattern << IndieWeb wiki MySQL outage: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2025-08-04#t1754336493642200
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Loqi ok, I added "IndieWeb wiki MySQL outage: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2025-08-04#t1754336493642200" to the "See Also" section of /database-antipattern https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103164&oldid=94926
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+61) "/* To-Study List! */" (view diff)
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gRegor when is fresh
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Loqi Front End Study Hall #034 in 7 days https://events.indieweb.org/UzkXwuTEzyuG
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gRegor Looking forward to FrESH #42, with answers to life, the universe, and everything front end
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[artlung] Nice.
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[artlung] Oh wait... _sorry, wrong number._
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gRegor Hm?
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[artlung] (trying to make a subtle joke that didn't land)
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gRegor Substack << File under "why not" or "reasons to go indie" [https://digiday.com/media/former-substack-creators-say-theyre-earning-more-on-new-platforms-that-offer-larger-shares-of-subscription-revenue/ Former Substack creators say they’re earning more on new platforms that offer larger shares of subscription revenue]
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Loqi ok, I added "File under "why not" or "reasons to go indie" [https://digiday.com/media/former-substack-creators-say-theyre-earning-more-on-new-platforms-that-offer-larger-shares-of-subscription-revenue/ Former Substack creators say they’re earning more on new platforms that offer larger shares of subscription revenue]" to the "See Also" section of /Substack https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103166&oldid=102766
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[tantek] nice
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gRegor Substack << Testimonial from Molly White about the above article^ https://bsky.app/profile/molly.wiki/post/3lmkb6v4cms2d "I saved hundreds or even thousands of dollars a month just from switching from Substack to self-hosted Ghost.
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gRegor I pay a roughly flat $85/month now (~$75 for mailsending, $10 for hosting), vs. 10% of all my subscription income."
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Loqi ok, I added "Testimonial from Molly White about the above article^ https://bsky.app/profile/molly.wiki/post/3lmkb6v4cms2d "I saved hundreds or even thousands of dollars a month just from switching from Substack to self-hosted Ghost." to the "See Also" section of /Substack https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103167&oldid=103166
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gregorlove.com edited /Substack (+104) "/* See Also */ finish quote, indent bullet" (view diff)
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gRegor That reminds me, wanted to document their dark pattern about subscribing. I never honestly thought about this since I'm in the habit of trying to dismiss any popover thing, but I've had multiple people surprised to learn you *don't* have to enter your email when that Substack popover comes, you can click "Continue Reading" below it or the X
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gRegor Imagining how many substacks people have subscribed to when they probably just wanted to read the one article
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[tantek] yeah it's a "dark pattern" that works unfortunately
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loqi.me edited /Donut.js (+33) "[tantek] added "[[waffle.js]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /waffle.js (-195) "redir to canonical caps no ." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Donut.js (+210) "past tense, add some stats, from when to when" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /WaffleJS (+239) "merge smaller waffle.js article content into this one, was" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Donut.js (+109) "past talks" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Donut.js (+53) "/* Past Talks */ YouTube channel" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /WaffleJS (+203) "how to connect, Discord, GitHub" (view diff)