#meta 2025-08-08

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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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doesnm mathium05++
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mathium05 lol
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doesnm oh!
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doesnm [mattl]++
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doesnm i was through that mathium edit the page
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[snarfed] have we talked about Discord editing here recently? any thoughts on revisiting that?
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[snarfed] it can get pretty spammy when people edit a message a lot, which seems to happen regularly
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[snarfed] obviously we'd hate for people to edit messages and think we see the edits when we don't. but re-sending the message on each edit isn't great either
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doesnm maybe discord should have bridge to slack? so editing will synced
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doesnm now it's discord<->irc<->slack i think
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aaronpk Last I checked there's no setting to turn off edits in discord
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[mattl] I think when we see it we should ask that person to not do it and explain why. Maybe Loqi could even do it?
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doesnm [mattl]: maybe fix the problem, not symptoms?
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jodie.website created /User:Jodie.website (+220) "profile of jodie.website" (view diff)
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[mattl] doesnm: how?
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doesnm [mattl]: posted above, bridge discord and slack directly
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[snarfed] the big hammer would be to just stop the bridge from sending edits
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[mattl] Discord has no interest in adding a permission to restrict editing. People have asked for years and every time they do they get shut down.
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doesnm <[mattl]> Discord has no interest in adding a permission to restrict editing. People have asked for years and every time they do they get shut down. <- very bad idea. Same as restrict deleting messagsa
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[mattl] doesnm: and IRC or the web chat?
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doesnm [mattl]: IRC doesn't support editing, idk about webchat. I mean bridge slack&discord and bridge irc to one of them. So it can look like slack<->discord<->irc
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[mattl] I know IRC doesn’t support editing. We should not support editing IMO.
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[snarfed] right. but that still begs the question about what to do for platforms like Discord that are bridged in and do allow edits
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[snarfed] re-sending the messages, like now, is spammy. ignoring them misleads people on Discord. neither is great
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[mattl] Yeah I think just asking people to not do it when they do it works best. It’s already on the discuss page.
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[snarfed] the etiquette there is tough. I'm with you in spirit, but in practice we get spammy edits often, and we almost never say anything
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[mattl] If we started saying something or having Loqi do it, for a week or two I wonder if it would improve things. We can’t catch it every time but Loqi presumably can.
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aaronpk I don't like the idea of silently ignoring the edits either
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[mattl] Yeah I think that’s going to be a problem pretty quickly.
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aaronpk I think a Loqi reminder might be the best bet
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aaronpk the other annoying thing is discord sends edits out when they add the link preview to a message. that one might be able to be stopped in the discord bridge tho.
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[tantek] It's already documented in /discuss right?
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aaronpk yes with a ⚠️ ⚠️ notice too
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[mattl] I think Loqi greeting people when they join and asking them not to edit posts when they do would be two features that would dramatically improve things.
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[mattl] But I’m also not trying to give Aaron more work
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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[tantek] We could put it explicitly in the welcome message on Discord and link to the longer explanation on /discuss
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[mattl] That would be good but I’m also talking about a general greeting. If you enter the chat in the middle of the night in the US there’s often nobody here
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aaronpk there isn't a "join" event in the bridge, so it would only work by having Loqi respond to a chat message
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aaronpk but that could also be fun. Loqi is already aware of general level of chat activity, so Loqi could respond if someone says something after 2+ hours of no chatter
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aaronpk but avoid barging in to the middle of a conversation
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[mattl] That sounds great.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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gRegor A redirect to MDN might suffice instead of this page: https://indieweb.org/source_map
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+357) "7/30 and 8/6 HWCs" (view diff)
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mathium05 what did you think I edited doesnm
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doesnm @mathium05 Spacebar article
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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tantek.com edited /wiki (+30) "let's try a div p-summary for the dfn and see if Loqi supports line breaks" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is a wiki
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Loqi wiki may refer to: suggestions / discussion about the indiewebcamp wiki itself. page type: the wiki-page as type of page or content projects: specific wiki-projects related to indieweb wiki hosting wikis: comparing different wiki options for indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/wiki/
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[tantek] apparently neither line-breaks nor list item bullets
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tantek.com edited /wiki (+0) "how about e-summary, does Loqi detect that and do something intelligent with it" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is wiki
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Loqi wiki may refer to: suggestions / discussion about the indiewebcamp wiki itself. page type: the wiki-page as type of page or content projects: specific wiki-projects related to indieweb wiki hosting wikis: comparing different wiki options for indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/wiki/
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[tantek] hmm, looks like for now, list items do not work well in dfns. oh well
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capjamesg What is wiki?
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Loqi wiki may refer to: suggestions / discussion about the indiewebcamp wiki itself. page type: the wiki-page as type of page or content projects: specific wiki-projects related to indieweb wiki hosting wikis: comparing different wiki options for indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/wiki/
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jamesg.blog edited /wiki (+2) "update capjamesg example" (view diff)
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capjamesg The https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2056 meme liked on the wiki wiki page is resonant 😄
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capjamesg [edit] The https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2056 meme liked on the wiki wiki page is resonant 😄
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tantek.com edited /wiki (-140) "rewrite dfn to use comma list in prose rather than structured list items" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is a wiki
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Loqi wiki on the indieweb may refer to individual personal wikis, wiki as a page type, wiki options for personal sites, wiki-related projects, or discussion about the IndieWeb wiki in particular https://indieweb.org/wiki
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[tantek] fixed.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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loqi.me created /making (+19) "prompted by capjamesg and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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mat.tl edited /HTML_Day (+107) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2025/Düsseldorf (-37) "/* Organizers */ last min regrets" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamp_Berlin (+0) "update to 2024, most recent" (view diff)
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[mattl] tantek++
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gRegor what is bangalore
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Loqi Bangalore is a city in Karnataka, India that started having regular IndieWebClub meetings from May 2025 https://indieweb.org/Bangalore
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[tantek] still waiting to see a sign of (human) life from that beyond the events / blog posts (i.e. photos or some more evidence)
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[tantek] am hopeful that will emerge at some point
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[mattl] that would be very cool.
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[tantek] I'm too bot/AI-skeptical about today's web to trust anything text-only any more
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gRegor I thought I linked a blog post, which mentioned the meeting in passing from an organizer. More of a general life update post
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[mattl] It would be neat some day to have a 24 hour indieweb meeting, although I worry about anyone staying up for the whole thing.
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[tantek] rotating hosts could work for that
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[mattl] rotating countries too. We’d have to set some ground rules. Like “only x cups of coffee per timezone per person”
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gRegor Seems unlikely they would create the underline events, post on events.indieweb, and mention in a blog post if not human :)
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gRegor they've also signed in to the wiki
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aaronpk i thought i saw a photo at one point
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gRegor oh nice
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gRegor linked on https://indieweb.org/events/2025-05-24-indiewebclub-bangalore
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gRegor the post, not photo. don't think I saw the photo
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gregorlove.com edited /Bangalore (+67) "/* Indie Web Club */ +Meetable tag link" (view diff)
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[tantek] Dusseldorf << https://feed.city/c/dan/l/HWC+DUS
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Loqi ok, I added "https://feed.city/c/dan/l/HWC+DUS" to the "See Also" section of /D%C3%BCsseldorf https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103247&oldid=102396
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[mattl] jak2k: As gRegor mentioned, it might not support SVG.
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[mattl] I asked the Bangalore folks for some photos if they have any… it would be nice to feature some in-person events in the newsletter.
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tantek.com created /IndieWebCamp_Portland (+27) "r to most recent" (view diff)
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gRegor oh, looks like one of the issues was jak2k themselves :) https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20svg
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tantek.com edited /Organizers () "(-565) add Recent Organizers section for past 12 months and active in chat (or not), move proposals after "Recent" sections, merge Recent Organizer Meetings" (view diff)
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[tantek] hey all, if you organized or hosted an IndieWeb event in the past 12 months, check to make sure you're listed here: https://indieweb.org/Organizers#Recent_Organizers (and in the right list, like active on chat or not) and with the accurate list of events you helped organize over the past 12 months.
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[tantek] If you helped organize an event, the event description should explicitly list you by name as an organizer or host. None of this "the usual crowd/suspects" anonymous stuff.
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[tantek] I estimate perhaps a ~90% accuracy to my first attempt there, almost certainly missing 1-2 people
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[mattl] Does that include online events?
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[tantek] yes, online events that list the organizers by name (so they can be contacted e.g. for Code of Conduct reasons etc.)
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[mattl] I’ll add myself for HWC Eastern
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[tantek] thank you. [mattl]++
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mat.tl edited /Organizers (+40) "added myself for HWC eastern" (view diff)
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[tantek] part of the goal here is to have clear names of organizers both in each event and in that Recent list for general handling of online chat / code of conduct type stuff, and even when it seems good faith disagreement is somehow escalating instead of de-escalating
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tantek.com edited /Organizers (-1) "/* Recent Organizers */ make general available in chat clear that it's about providing help" (view diff)
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[tantek] (also if you're not available for de-escalation of conflicts in chat, ok to move yourself to the Additional recent organizers clustering so folks (hopefully) don't attempt to reach out to you for conflict resolution)
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capjamesg [tantek]++ for the prompt.
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gRegor Merged and commented: https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues/48
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Loqi [preview] [bismark] #48 My SVG avatar appears to be causing a 500
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gRegor (merged issues, that is)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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[mattl] Looks good to me
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tantek.com edited /Organizers (-1) "linky, split up two sentences to make it more clear more are welcome to any future organizers meetups" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-08-08.html
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tantek.com edited /page (+93) "work named page and slash page into the dfn to help better explain why those redirect here" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Organizers (+18) "stub a Projects section, move a project there, move a SA to issues, note Discord bridging question was answered / resolved a while ago (issue is non-issue because we figure out how to make logs rollover there)" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is a page
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Loqi page is short for a web page on the IndieWeb, and is usually primarily known by its name (AKA named page), served at the top level of a site (AKA slash page), and kept updated in place in contrast to posts which are primarily datetime-based; a page that is browser-editable with viewable revisions is a wiki-page https://indieweb.org/page
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[artlung] Newsletter went out successfully. [aaronpk] ++
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[tantek] woohoo!
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Loqi 😊