#meta 2025-09-05

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alabut.com edited /IndieWeb_Movie_Club (-23) "Signed up to host the movie club next year" (view diff)
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Loqi alabut has 2 karma over the last year
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gRegor Huzzah! alabut++
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gregorlove.com edited /IndieWeb_Movie_Club (+6) "/* Movies & Hosts */ split 2025/2026 tables, easier to read through + easier to archive 2025 table later on" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /rel-me (+536) "add online tools section, move browser tools up near it" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /rel-me (+0) "/* Online tools */ pin13" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek.com moved /Template:Open_Source to /Template:open_source "lowercase common noun"
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tantek.com moved /Template:Open_Source/doc to /Template:open_source/doc "lowercase common noun"
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tantek.com edited /Postmarks (+98) "dfn, addyourself, open source, sa projects" (view diff)
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michaelkupietz.com edited /User:Michaelkupietz.com (+335) "/* Latest & Greatest* */" (view diff)
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[Al_Abut] Thanks [gRegorLove] , definitely appreciated the nudge to host. Gregor++
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marisabel.nl edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+94) (view diff)
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2025-09-03-hwc-pacific (+4292) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2025-09-03-hwc-pacific (-188) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /title (+235) "restructure page based on HWC discussion" (view diff)
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capjamesg What is a profile picture?
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Loqi An icon in the context of the indieweb typically refers to a home page icon for an indieweb site, or small decorative images to indicate types of posts https://indieweb.org/profile_picture
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cali.jamesg.blog uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:linkedin autocomplete.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:linkedin_autocomplete.png"
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cali.jamesg.blog edited /autosuggest (+381) "add linkedin example" (view diff)
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cali.jamesg.blog edited /autosuggest (+195) "/* Prototypes */" (view diff)
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cali.jamesg.blog edited /autosuggest (+203) "add athena" (view diff)
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cali.jamesg.blog edited /autosuggest (+381) "/* Related sessions */" (view diff)
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cali.jamesg.blog edited /autosuggest (+150) "/* Implementation brainstorming */" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+186) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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aaronpk looks like linode needs to reboot one of my servers in a few hours so things are going to be weird for a bit
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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gregorlove.com edited /h-x-app (+31) "explicit p-summary" (view diff)
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gRegor what is h-app
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Loqi h-x-app is a proposed microformats vocabulary for marking up data about software applications https://indieweb.org/h-app
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gRegor what is wiki customization
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Loqi MediaWiki customizations are changes to the default install of MediaWiki that the IndieWeb community has made for various reasons to better serve how the community uses the wiki https://indieweb.org/wiki_customization
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gRegor Hm, not sure why the regex didn't work with the h-app page. Thought it might be the dash, but tried it on regexr.com and it matches hyphens. https://github.com/aaronpk/mediawiki-mf2-dfn/blob/master/dfn.php
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gRegor Oh!
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gRegor Heh, the first condition is that "p-summary" does not appear in the text *anywhere*, not just as a class name
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gRegor And "p-summary" is on that page further down.
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gRegor Since it's just parsing the text and not HTML nodes, changing it to `preg_match('/class="p-summary"/', $text)` would avoid most instances of that. Obviously some edge cases if there's multiple classes, but seems pretty unlikely on the wiki.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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[tantek] event page formatting question. on a page like https://indieweb.org/Beyond_Tellerrand where it lists individual years and then inside those, individual cities, should the years be ascending/descending and inside the years should the individual cities/instances be by time order or reverse time order? Make sense?
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gRegor https://github.com/aaronpk/mediawiki-mf2-dfn/pull/3
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gRegor I like newest first for both
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aaronpk do we have any instances of p-summary class with other classes as well? this would break that
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gRegor true
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gRegor Let me add some `.?` so it will match anywhere in the list of classes
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gRegor Hm, not exactly the regex, but I'll work on it. Need to account for spaces
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aaronpk I don't know if that's actually a concern
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gRegor I think it would be pretty rare
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aaronpk skimming these i don't see any https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&search=p-summary
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aaronpk wait there's one: https://indieweb.org/2012/Guest_List but we could edit that
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aaronpk this one is missing the quotes https://indieweb.org/like
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aaronparecki.com edited /like (+2) "add quotes around p-summary class" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok there aren't any, no need to change it
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gRegor Oh yeah, a lot of the camp pages probably have mf2 with mf1 backcompat
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aaronpk i think only that one
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aaronpk but yeah it would break the mf1 backcompat, do we care about that?
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[Al_Abut] [tantek] we had that same discussion yesterday for the movie club page. Reverse chrono for the years but then regular chrono within each year makes the most readable/scannable sense, as strange as it sounds to describe.
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gRegor Oh interesting, the ones I'm thinking of are like /2019, but that's "p-name summary"
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aaronpk oh funny
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aaronpk so if we edit the 2012 to match then we can merge it
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gRegor I can do that. So the edge case here is if it has "p-summary summary" (or similar), it will mistakenly add another "p-summary" around the dfn, right? Not great, but not awful. And the 2012 page doesn't have a dfn anyway.
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aaronpk yep
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gRegor What do you think, [tantek]? I'm usually not concerned about publishing both mf2 and mf2 backcompat classes
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gRegor *mf1 backcompat
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aaronpk oh yeah, it won't do anything if the page doesn't have dfn anyway
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[tantek] I can live with dropping the mf1 backcompat from the wiki
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[tantek] gRegor [Al_Abut] yeah I initially chose newest first for years then order by earliest first inside each year but while editing it started to feel confusing
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gRegor I think that approach makes sense for a calendar of things like IMC (especially monthly). For more intermittent things, idk, I think I lean towards strict reverse chronological.
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gRegor Like if I'm browsing a list of IWC sessions, I'm probably more interested in recent ones than the first ones
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[tantek] that reasoning makes sense gRegor
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[tantek] ok I may flip the /btconf locations within years to be most recent first
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[tantek] across years and instances within years
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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Loqi [[IndieWeb]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IndieWeb&diff=1309724192&oldid=prev Serilly at 17:33, 5 September 2025
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+280) "09/03 HWCs" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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[tantek] This looks like a good page to use as a structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Web_Conference if anyone wants to help expand the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWebCamp
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gregorlove.com edited /Tumblr (+353) "/* How to export your data */ clean up a bit, separate api/wordpress options, add tumblbee" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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gregorlove.com created /TumblBee (+30) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor what is naming convention
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Loqi A naming convention is an explicit pattern or theme used for naming a set of related and or complementary projects, like the p3k naming convention, focusing on things from a particular theme or names that reflect function, or a hybrid of the two https://indieweb.org/naming_convention
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gRegor I don't know if he's posted about it on his site, but benji mentioned his naming convention is How I Met Your Mother related, inspired by [schmarty]'s Saved by the Bell convention
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gRegor sparkles, barnacle, lillypad, marshmallow
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[schmarty] hahahaha _oh no_
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Loqi [schmarty]: lol
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gRegor And something overarching (I forget what?) was umbrella, since that's a theme in the show
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maenoc.how edited /Main_Page-ja (+37) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /bit.ly (+10) "fix r" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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gregorlove.com deleted /Robertvanbregt "Author request; this was a redirect to /User:Robertvanbregt.nl"
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gregorlove.com deleted /Metbril "Author request; this was a redirect to /User:Robertvanbregt.nl"
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gregorlove.com deleted /robertvanbregt "Author request; this was a redirect to /User:Robertvanbregt.nl"
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Bellingham/expenses (+81) "dfn/link to remove it from dead-end pages" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Bellingham (+40) "/* Organizers */ link expenses" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Brighton/Session_Planning (+130) "dfn/link/see also" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2020/Austin/Sponsorship (+127) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2020/Austin (+79) "/* Sponsors */ link sponsorship letter" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2020/Austin/Sponsorship (+38) "+cat" (view diff)
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gRegor going through obscure mediawiki SpecialPages btw, like https://indieweb.org/Special:DeadendPages
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gregorlove.com edited /2019_Recruitment_Email (+143) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /2019_Recruitment_Email to /2019/recruitment-email "mv under /2019"
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Planning (+70) "/* Invitations */ link /2019/recruitment-email" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-09-05.html
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Nuremberg/notifications (+208) "dfn/SA/cat" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Berlin/wrapup (+119) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/Nuremberg/music (+140) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/MIT/expenses (+77) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/Dusseldorf/i18n (+198) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Cambridge/userinfo (+141) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Cambridge/kindsofposts (+146) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor++ for all the gardening!
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gregorlove.com edited /Webm1m/PR (+70) "dfn/link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Webm1m (+52) "/* See Also */ link PR" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Post_Styling (+148) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Indieweb_Node_JS_Modules (+187) "dfn/link/SA" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /bagel (+76) "rollivance" (view diff)
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[tantek] what are publications
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Loqi Publications is a page on a personal website that lists official or more formal publications (than say blog posts), like books, videos, academic papers, typically published by a publishing organization https://indieweb.org/publications
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