#meta 2025-09-07

2025-09-07 UTC
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glitzeor4444
What is cool uri
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "cool uri" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "cool uri is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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glitzeor4444
Redirect cool uri to url design
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[tantek]
good call
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[tantek]
or rather permalink since that mentions the Cool URI thing
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loqi.me
created /cool_URI (+22) "prompted by glitzeor4444 and redirect added by [tantek]"
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glitzeor4444
Ah! That didn't come up in my search πŸ˜† thank you
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tantek.com
edited /permalink (-4) "link post name instead of plain bracket link"
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[tantek]
close enough! the /permalink How to section links to URL design πŸ˜„
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[tantek]
I had a thought about keeping track of the life expectancy of silos
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aaronpk
like starting a betting pool?
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[tantek]
Like site-deaths documents their shutdown dates but not their age at death
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[tantek]
Haha yesssss (sicko meme) Silo Deadpool
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[tantek]
I mean that's kind of what https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company tried to do sort of
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[tantek]
Aaronpk my original thought was two-fold: keep track of the ages of death of silos (sorted), and whenever IndieWeb makes it another year longer which silos it has outlived (chronological duration)
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[snarfed]
[re http://indieweb.org 401s, from #indieweb]
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[snarfed]
I'm not sending any automated traffic from my home network to http://indieweb.org
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[snarfed]
🀷
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aaronpk
the 401 is returned from the indieweb server for any request to mediawiki's router, to block crawling history pages
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aaronpk
so cloudflare might be caching the 401 response for example
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aaronpk
but I can't think of why the wiki would return 401 for a request to the home page
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[snarfed]
lmk if you want a HAR or anything else
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[snarfed]
nm it's working on my home network now πŸ˜†
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[tantek]
[snarfed] you running LLM crawling bots from your home network again? πŸ˜†
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aaronpk
ok i do see in the logs a request that returned 401 that really shouldn't have
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[tantek]
πŸ‘€
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aaronpk
i don't like how non-deterministic this seems to be
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aaronpk
but also omg we are getting so many requests
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aaronpk
it clearly has something to do with the web server caching https://media.aaronpk.com/2025/09/06212249-5896.png
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aaronpk
(the IPs on the left are cloudflare IPs now)
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[tantek]
huh, every few seconds? that shouldn't be too bad right?
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aaronpk
the pattern is all the 401s are when it logs "cache:-" but all the 200s are "cache:BYPASS"
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aaronpk
ok i'm turning on verbose logging
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aaronpk
ok i just triggered it
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aaronpk
i think i figured it out
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aaronpk
so basically, if the home page hadn't been requested by a logged in user within the particular cache window of a cloudflare server, any requests to the home page to that server woudl return the cached 401
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aaronpk
i (think i) added a bypass for it now
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aaronpk
with the caveat that it is late and i am very tired so my understanding of the situation might not be 100% accurate, but that is my current assessment
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[snarfed]
would Vary help? on...Cookie?
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[snarfed]
not that I fully understand the root cause 🀷
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aaronpk
it's quite a bit more than that πŸ˜‚ https://media.aaronpk.com/2025/09/06214634-8953.png
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tantek.com
created /2025/SD (+241) "stub with field trip idea and links"
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glitzeor4444
What is universal design
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "universal design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "universal design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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glitzeor4444
What is accessible design
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "accessible design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "accessible design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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glitzeor4444
What is accessibility
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Loqi
Accessibility is key to designing web sites in an inclusive manner, lowering barriers to information, interaction, and communication, to make the web accessible to people with disabilities, and sometimes a literal site path (/accessibility) for a website accessibility statement; the IndieWeb community encourages both accessible events & personal sites https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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glitzeor4444
Hmmmm note to self to add stuff about universal design to wiki...
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glitzeor4444
Loqi what are your commands
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glitzeor4444
Loqi accessible design is /accessibility
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glitzeor4444
accessible design is /accessibility
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patsitive.co.nz
edited /User:Patsitive.co.nz (+152) "/* What do I edit on the wiki? */"
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vanderven.se martijn
edited /reStructuredText (+564) "/* See Also */ Add article from a book author prefering to use rST"
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abhinavsarkar.net
edited /Bangalore (+20) "/* Local IndieWeb Members */"
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abhinavsarkar.net
edited /Bangalore (+104) "Adds event subscription feed."
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abhinavsarkar.net
edited /Bangalore (+5) "Fixes subscription feed."
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tantek.com
edited /ActivityStreams (+230) "dfn abbr, expand quick AS references at the top to include direct links to the specs"
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[tantek]
lol [snarfed] you got the format/protocol RFCs reverse on /Atom back in 2017 and no one noticed 🀣
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tantek.com
created /atomenabled.org (+41) "r to site-deaths"
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tantek.com
edited /Atom (+22) "fix RFC references/summaries to be consistent (were flipped), move atomenabled to history section, unlink dfn linking to site-deaths"
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Loqi
536723815/bot/internet
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Loqi
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon_naming_convention (+103) "figured out the name of the time period that I was intuitively using"
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gregorlove.com
edited /large_language_model (+718) "/* Other Criticism */ +Information literacy and chatbots as search, quote"
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gregorlove.com
edited /large_language_model (+0) "/* Other Criticism */ sort newest first"
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gregorlove.com
edited /large_language_model (+409) "/* Other Criticism */ mv "None of this is real and it doesn’t matter" up from SA"
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gregorlove.com
edited /large_language_model () "(-9365) /* See Also */ rm article text, now moved up to Other Criticisms"
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[snarfed]
[tantek] not sure what you meant re /Atom, went to https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Atom&action=history to see your fix and it's 401ing πŸ˜† 😒
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[tantek]
help aaronpk
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[tantek]
[snarfed] you can linked/labled 4287 as *protocol* and 5023 as *format* (which is reversed)
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[tantek]
you had* linked/labeled …
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[snarfed]
ah ok, thx
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tantek.com
edited /timeline (+891) "1990s updates: CDF introduced item element, channel element, web feed concept, MCF introduced description element, 1999 rss 0.91ns"
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gRegor
did you get signed out? the wiki history pages are blocked