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tantek.com edited /2024/Berlin (+20) "minor cleanup, previous" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2025/Berlin (+2176) "venue, tickets, planning, posts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:indiewebcamps-timeline (-16) "Berlin is confirmed" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+97) "put online 2025 on separate line, add 2025-black-friday-create-day since it's in the events!" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /events/2025-black-friday-create-day (+610) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Black_Friday_Create_Day (+135) "link to 2025 page and event" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2025-black-friday-create-day (+75) "archive spot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2025/Berlin (+23) "note hours of the camp" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] Trying some new copy for the IWC Berlin summary, feedback appreciated!
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[tantek] https://events.indieweb.org/2025/11/indiewebcamp-berlin-oNMvxRpOvfEs
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[tantek] > IndieWebCamp Berlin 2025 is a two-day all-levels gathering and community workshop for personal websites and owning your identity, content, and experience on the web. 10:00-17:00 daily Saturday & Sunday (doors open at 9:00) before Beyond Tellerand Berlin 2025.
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[tantek] > The importance of owning your data is gaining more awareness every year – yet it is not enough, in times where social media is scattered and distracting. There is still a lot of work to do to help people understand what “owning your data” actually means. To get started and move our sites forward, we’re meeting for a two-day BarCamp-like collaboration and Hackfest in Berlin.
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[tantek] mostly trying to clean up the grammar, readability of prose
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[tantek] I think the original for this was written by Marc, and mostly I tried to edit it from the perspective of a native speaker
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[tantek] If folks give a few thumbs up, I'll send it to Marc to update on the btconf website, e.g. in the description here: https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2025/side-events
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jamesg.blog edited /2025/Berlin (-16) "/* RSVPd or Interested */" (view diff)
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[schmarty] tantek++ looks good to me! also thx for updating my wiki RSVP.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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gRegor Thought I time travelled when I saw the Black Friday 2025 wiki page, haha
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gRegor [artlung], already updated this latest FrESH etherpad, but after archiving those we try to replace the contents with a link to the wiki, like "Archived to: https://indieweb.org/events/2025-09-30-front-end-study-hall"
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gRegor I also swap out the etherpad link on the events.indieweb.org entry with the wiki link
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[artlung] I think I've vaguely hoped at some point that would be part of the archive script.
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Front_End_Study_Hall (+101) "+9/18 and 9/30" (view diff)
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gRegor That would be nice :)
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[artlung] Because the events page can accept webmentions a webmention from the wiki page to the event page would show up. And if we hid the etherpad link some time increment after the event, that would put a link on the event page.
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gRegor True, that could work. I do like having a dedicated Notes link near the top though
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[artlung] Also, editing the notes link to be the wiki link then makes cloning the event problematic which has bit me at least.... 5 times.
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[artlung] _"Sorry, I'm editing the notes link now"_
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gRegor Ooh, good point. Yeah those don't get cloned as soon as HWC does. Hm.
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gRegor Sorry, I've definitely contributed to that with my event edits
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gRegor Oh, also just noticed Cali adds the HWC template box on these notes instead of fresh
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[artlung] All good intentions!
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[artlung] Oh right I sometimes forget to edit that
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gRegor I'll try to avoid updating the notes field if there isn't another fresh on the calendar yet
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2025-09-18-front-end-study-hall (-159) "minor cleanup" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2025-09-30-front-end-study-hall (+6) "fresh template" (view diff)
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gRegor I am just very thankful we're not manually creating the list of events anymore, and the manual archive pages too, like https://indieweb.org/events/2016
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+76) "09/24 HWCs" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+255) "October dates so far" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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[artlung] hell yes I'll create a pull request. https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-etherpad-archiver/pull/8
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[tantek] maybe we can note somewhere the things to check/update if you clone an event? I think the Black Friday 2025 event was linking to the 2024 wiki page which is why I updated it to a new Etherpad (because the event hasn't happened yet!)
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Loqi [preview] [artlung] #8 Alter archive script to account for different content for FrESH events. #7
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[artlung] [gRegorLove]++ wiki maintenance... thank you!
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gRegor what is hwc
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a growing world-wide network of meetups for everyone who wants to take back their web experience from social media silos, and own their online identities & content, or just want support with blogging! https://indieweb.org/hwc
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gRegor I think the latest best practices we have for that (applicable to most event types, even if on HWC page) is the "Beforehand" section here: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize_Virtual_Events
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gRegor Might be worth its own page somewhere? /organizing redirects to IWC Organizing. Not sure the best place
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[artlung] In terms of how I interact with it when cloning if the pattern is predicable it feels like a script on clone to turn a wiki link into an etherpad link would be nice. Or just something to swap the domain in that field from http://indieweb.org to http://etherpad.indieweb.org. But more generally I'll try to keep an eye out.
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gRegor I haven't cloned in a while, but my approach is to search the original event's date anywhere on the edit screen and update it
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gRegor original > clone > search and replace date > then any other edits necessary
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[tantek] I created the Black Friday 2025 page so I would have something to link to from the IndieWebCamps template, to help with discovery
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[tantek] because that template is intended to link to both past and upcoming IndieWebCamps
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gRegor Nice!
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[tantek] open to doing things differently if another way is preferred!
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gRegor I think it's fine, just a funny brain moment for me :)
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[tantek] was not meant to surprise or cause temporal dysphoria
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gRegor !march
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Kaja It's March 2043, 2020 (UTC)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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artlung.com edited /Weird_Web_October (+358) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added myself, Joe" (view diff)
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gRegor what is wwo
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Loqi Weird Web October is a 31 day challenge to make a website every day in October according to the theme of the day, inspired by Inktober, and open to anyone to participate by posting about their new sites with the hashtag #weirdweboctober https://indieweb.org/WWO
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gRegor Nice
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artlung.com edited /Bluesky (+117) "/* See Also */ adding Blacksky" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /challenge (+23) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Weird_Web_October (+23) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+23) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+23) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /challenge (+1) "yes, I misspelled the new category" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+1) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+1) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Weird_Web_October (+1) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /100_days (+24) (view diff)
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capjamesg [artlung]++ great change.
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capjamesg I'll get this deployed soon.
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Movie_Club (+45) "add category and a call to action" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /National_Blog_Posting_Month (+24) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /National_Novel_Writing_Month (+24) (view diff)
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[artlung] if you can test it that'd be ideal capjamesg. I think it's good but if there's some aspect of how the data flows in I missed I'd hate to have added a bug!
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artlung.com edited /challenges (-44) "bit of copywriting" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /blog_carnival (+23) (view diff)
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artlung.com created /Category:Challenge (+225) "creating category page" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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gregorlove.com edited /challenge (+81) "/* Blogging Challenges */ +me" (view diff)
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gRegor what is blogging challenge
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Loqi A challenge on the indieweb can either mean a blogging challenge, a list of questions to answer or a topic to write about in a post, sometimes tagged/invited by others to do so, or an ongoing event-like post which invites people to post achievements towards a goal for a specific time period, like exercise or posting photos at some frequency (daily), also supported by silos like Strava and micro.blog https://indieweb.org/blogging_challenge
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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gregorlove.com edited /Blaugust (+695) "history section, citations+archive links" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /August (+39) "Challenges section" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Blaugust (+23) "Category:Challenge" (view diff)
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gRegor Didn't realize how long Blaugust had been going on (2014!). Always new, fun parts of the internet to discover
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capjamesg [artlung] Your changes should now be live.
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capjamesg !archive test
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capjamesg wait one sec
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[artlung] Thanks for looking so quick James
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capjamesg !archive test
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capjamesg !archive test
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cali-iwc-archive Usage: !archive <event page URL or Etherpad URL> <events/wiki-url>
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capjamesg There we go!
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capjamesg Feel free to try it out!
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capjamesg There is a bit of poetic code in this file: "my $first_found_etherpad_slug;" 😄
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[artlung] well written code to my way of thinking can read nicely!
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[artlung] to my way of thinking that is a perfectly named variable.
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gregorlove.com edited /December (+299) "Challenges section" (view diff)
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capjamesg Yes!
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gregorlove.com edited /challenge (-72) "/* Monthly Challenges */ clean up/standardize month links" (view diff)
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gRegor Thoughts on moving month sections from https://indieweb.org/100_days#Other_durations to the appropriate month page, in the #Challenges section?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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gregorlove.com edited /November (+47) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +Black Friday Create Day" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor, good direction. Maybe keep the existing "30 days" subsection there and leave behind a simple list of months, each linked to the Challenges section of that month?
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[tantek] (also possible to have a generic 30 days challenge that is not on a month boundary, or even 30 days across a longer time period like quarter or year)
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gRegor sounds good
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gregorlove.com created /June (+640) "stub, challenges from /100_days" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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gregorlove.com edited /100_days (-455) "/* June */ link to /June#Challenges" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /October (+605) "started updating Challenges section, mv Inktober from /100_days" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Inktober (-1) "r" (view diff)
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capjamesg [artlung] gRegor I have responded to all the open threads on the archiver github.
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[artlung] nicely done capjamesg[d]++
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gregorlove.com edited /October (+213) "/* Challenges */ cleanup links, mostly external links, archive links" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /100_days (-192) "/* October */ link to /October#Challenges" (view diff)
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capjamesg I am still delighted in some way by my choice of using Perl for the archiver bot.
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capjamesg I don't use Perl for anything else anymore but the archive bot persists!
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capjamesg The only thing I wish is that cpan installed dependencies quicker.
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capjamesg I have no idea why it is so slow and verbose 😂
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gregorlove.com edited /November (+282) "/* Blogging Challenges */ mv links from /100_days" (view diff)
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gRegor Perl will never die. It gets the job done sometimes.
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[social] Perl is still the duct tape. I used to be decent writing Perl, but not great at reading other people’s Perl. Now I can just spell it.
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capjamesg I haven't yet read anyone else's Perl.
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capjamesg (Other than tutorials)
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capjamesg Maybe there's a whole new Perl out there just waiting to be discovered.
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gRegor 🎶 A whole new Perlllll
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gRegor Was that your intended joke? That's how I heard it XD
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capjamesg No :joy
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capjamesg Oops.
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capjamesg Noooo
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capjamesg Discord's autocomplete strikes again.
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capjamesg I meant to say: No 😂
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gRegor haha
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[artlung] https://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=1110292
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capjamesg I was trying to be poetic haha
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capjamesg [artlung] These are terrific!
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[artlung] Obfuscated Perl contest entries may be the apotheosis of creative code and code golf combined
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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capjamesg Who could say coding isn't art?
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[artlung] python's insistence on proper whitespace an impediment for such purposes
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gregorlove.com edited /December (+264) "/* Challenges */ mv from /100_days" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /December (+165) "/* Challenges */ +adventofcode" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /January (+271) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /February (+275) "stub" (view diff)
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[tantek] it was inevitable 😂
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[tantek] kinda based for gRegor to be filling out the Gregorian months. just sayin' ❤️
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gRegor lol
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gRegor write what you know 😂
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[tantek] fulfilling his destiny!
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gregorlove.com created /March (+265) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /April (+266) "stub" (view diff)
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gRegor oh wait, this isn't gonna do what I was thinking. I was going to use categorytree to list links to the months, but that will be alpha sort not month sort.
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gRegor still, good to have the pages
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gregorlove.com created /July (+264) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Category:months (+259) "Created page with "A category for the '''<dfn>month pages</dfn>''' on the wiki. To add a wiki page to this category, first update the Gregorian calendar, then add <nowiki>[[Category:months]]</nowiki> to the wiki page. Aka, you shouldn’t need to add this category to pages. ;)"" (view diff)
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gRegor I was trying to avoid making a template table like we do for events, but might have to. https://indieweb.org/January#Other_Months
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artlung.com edited /large_language_model_traffic (+113) "/* Tools to combat */ zip bomb" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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[tantek] hey those months dfns need IndieWeb relevance before the newsletter goes out!
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tantek.com edited /June (+75) "relevance blogging challenge" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-10-03.html
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[tantek] argh
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[tantek] no dfn for file transfer also
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[tantek] oops
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tantek.com edited /file_transfer (+695) "dfn, empty indieweb examples section, OS Examples, silo examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /April (+149) "add only IndieWeb relevance I could find so far" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /July (+196) "dfn relevance" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /March (+46) "needs relevant dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /February (+110) "dfn relevance" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /January (+177) "dfn relevance" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /June (+129) "much more indieweb relevant things in dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /December (+62) "IndieWeb Gift Calendar in dfn" (view diff)
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