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gRegor what is openlibrary
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Loqi Open Library is an Internet Archive project to create a page for every book, and provide cover images and the ability to borrow or read as many as possible https://indieweb.org/openlibrary
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gregorlove.com edited /Open_Library (+139) "/* How To */ Scan Barcodes" (view diff)
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gRegor Just tried that ^ it's no frills and a bit rough, but if the barcode is in the OL collection, it should work. Point and scan and the results stack up in a small section bottom of the screen which you can scroll left to right. Click on one and it takes you to the OL page for the book.
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gRegor Oops, meant to share in main
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chrisaldrich longevity << 2025/SD/concrete
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2025/SD/concrete]]" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106949&oldid=105923
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chrisaldrich 2025/SD/concrete << longevity
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Loqi ok, I added "[[longevity]]" to the "See Also" section of /2025/SD/concrete https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106950&oldid=106659
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chrisaldrich personal library << [[Amazon]] has a filterable and sortable list of My Books (beta version available around December 2025) at https://www.amazon.com/your-books
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Amazon]] has a filterable and sortable list of My Books (beta version available around December 2025) at https://www.amazon.com/your-books" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106954&oldid=106728
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capjamesg [tantek] Looks good. I think CuppaRex[d]'s guidance on https://indieweb.org/User:Crystaltouchton.com/community_norms is a good place to look for more to add. I agree with all the points listed there.
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capjamesg [edit] [tantek] Looks good. I think CuppaRex[d]'s guidance on https://indieweb.org/User:Crystaltouchton.com/community_norms is a good place to look for more to add. I agree with all the points listed there.
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@barryf ↩️ If you and @filmaj are interested in this stuff you could have a poke around my Architect-powered IndieWeb backend and website. https://github.com/barryf/vibrancy https://barryfrost.com/2021/07/vibrancy (twitter.com/_/status/1531350008074752001)
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Loqi [preview] [barryf] vibrancy: Headless CMS and Micropub endpoint for personal websites. Used for the back-end of https://barryfrost.com
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@localherodotbiz ↩️ There is sone irony that a free speech agenda is attracting more to the indieweb than censorship atm (twitter.com/_/status/1589306172057989120)
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@barryf Because of the alarming events unfolding at Twitter, like many I’ve been exploring Mastodon. I’m optimistic. You can find me at @868519022197616702>" target="_blank">https://mastodon.social/<@868519022197616702> or my own #indieweb website http://barryfrost.com. (twitter.com/_/status/1589208967384891392)
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capjamesg [edit] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/12/homebrew-website-club-eastern-0sCkWZHzlIoD
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capjamesg [edit] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/12/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-8ZUaeqQ8nBE6
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aaronpk those are old
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cupparex @[tantek] thank you for considering what I wrote. I can't wait to see how the page you created evolves in the new year.
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cupparex capjamesg[d] Thank you for your thoughts on what I wrote about community norms.
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cupparex capjamesg[d] ++
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loqi.me created /Collaborative_blogging (+153) "prompted by capjamesg and dfn added by capjamesg" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Collaborative_blogging (+129) "capjamesg added "[https://visitmy.website/2022/10/04/patterns-for-collaborative-blogging/ Patterns for collaborative blogging]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is a group blog
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "group blog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "group blog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] huh thought we had pages on that
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] I don't think that's the established common term for that
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] what is the traditional term of art for group blogs or group blogging? I can't remember it was multiauthor or something else
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[tantek] what is multiauthor
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multiauthor" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "multiauthor is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jamesg.blog edited /Collaborative_blogging (+1507) "add indieweb examples" (view diff)
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capjamesg multi-author sounds academic.
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capjamesg "collaborative" (or co-...) sounds like people are doing something together.
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capjamesg co-authoring is probably the closest established term I can think of, but it also sounds a bit academic 😂
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jamesg.blog edited /Collaborative_blogging (+619) "add do blogs need to be so lonely blog post" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Collaborative_blogging (+251) "add grizzly gazette" (view diff)
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[tantek] capjamesg there is a prior reference to multiauthor blog on the wiki tbh
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[tantek] on https://indieweb.org/comments
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[tantek] "collaborative blogging" sounds like a mouthful
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[tantek] like I don't think it's actually a "thing"
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[tantek] if it was, I suspect someone would have shortened it to "co-blogging"
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[tantek] 🙂
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[tantek] like "co-working" 😆
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[Al_Abut] Maybe it’s a fun trend that comes and goes? Just like coworking 😉
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[tantek] yes I'm sure it's a trend that comes and goes, my point is, there was an earlier phrase / term for this that was shorter IIRC
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capjamesg I have cited three independent blog posts that explicitly mention the term "collaborative blogging".
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capjamesg Two from 2022, one from 2025.
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[tantek] huh I just saw the one
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capjamesg Another one: https://manuelmoreale.com/thoughts/blogs-don-t-need-to-be-so-lonely
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capjamesg [edit] Another one: https://manuelmoreale.com/thoughts/blogs-don-t-need-to-be-so-lonely
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capjamesg "I have interviewed one hundred and six of them for People and Blogs (which, btw, is a collaborative blogging project"
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[tantek] regardless it sounds like a new term for a mid-2000s phenomenon that already had a name
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capjamesg Just calling out that this is not a particularly fun discussion. Being told "huh thought we had pages on that" as the first response to creating a wiki page is not a good response for someone taking time to make a page.
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[tantek] here you go, 2006 citation for "co-blogging" 🙂 https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1205&context=law_lawreview
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], how would you handle creation of a new page that may be about the same thing as an existing page?
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[tantek] because the end result of that is much worse for readers, duplication and confusion
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[tantek] and makes the wiki less fun and accessible
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capjamesg If you think the content should be elsewhere, etc. feel free to move it.
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[tantek] I wasn't certain which is why I asked as questions!
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[tantek] I think it's better to approach such things with curiosity, questions than certainty ("should")
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[tantek] the only change I'd suggest with some certainty is lowercase "collaborative blogging" since it's not a proper noun
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capjamesg co-blogging sounds okay and is close to "co-writing" which I used to refer to this earlier this year, but I haven't seen anyone mention co-blogging specifically in the community recently, but we have had specifically the word "collaborative" pop up at HWCs in the past, including, as cited, a brief mention in a HWC writing workshop from 2024.
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capjamesg I think there's a whole vein of things to explore in the realm of "collaboration" in the context of the IndieWeb.
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capjamesg We had ~6 people collaboratively coding in the same HTML document at a HWC this year which was fun 😄
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[tantek] Yeah!
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[tantek] Sorry to hear it wasn't fun. Feels like maybe it's worth looking at it from a history studies perspective IMO
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[tantek] e.g. if someone wrote a paper on "blurry painting" as a thing and then someone else said wait wasn't that a thing in the past? And someone else pointed out Impressionism. Does that make the original paper less fun?
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capjamesg 😂
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capjamesg I appreciate that metaphor 😄
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[Al_Abut] high five to you guys for working it out. the most common anti-pattern for collaboration is trying to do it all over text, imo
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[Al_Abut] so easy to misread candor as a tone mismatch
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capjamesg I think it's worth documenting that co-blogging paper on the wiki. I don't think we should rename the page to "co-blogging" though; it feels a tad distant (like co-coding or co-baking, I'd rather say pair coding or baking together)?
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capjamesg Yeah I think it's _really_ important from a community perspective for contributions to be first welcomed, then given feedback on (unless, of course, the contribution is spam / not in good faith).
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tantek.com reacted with ❤️ to <capjamesg[d]> I appreciate that metaphor 😄
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jamesg.blog moved /Collaborative_blogging to /collaborative_blogging "move to lower case name"
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capjamesg In any case I'm glad to know that there is a longer history of this, which we should certainly document!
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[tantek] +1
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jamesg.blog edited /collaborative_blogging (+185) "/* See Also */ add co-blogging law link" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /collaborative_blogging (+94) "expand dfn with co-blogging and co-authoring references" (view diff)
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capjamesg Okay I have made a few changes. Feel free to add more examples if you have seen them in the past!
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capjamesg https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1520340.1520623 mentions co-blogging in the context of "where students co-blog vis-à-vis a wiki." 🙃
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[KevinMarks] I looked at my old group blogs from the 2002 era and they assumed multiple authors by default, and didn't bother to name the idea. Blogger was intrinsically collborative
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[KevinMarks] I think MT and then WP went more solo
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capjamesg How was blogger intrinsically collaborative? That sounds interesting!
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[KevinMarks] partly this was because you could have conversations within one blog without having to deal with comment systems
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[KevinMarks] It still is - you can add more authors easily - the admin gets to invite people by email
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[KevinMarks] if they have a blogger account they are in.
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[KevinMarks] so for example https://gonzoengaged.blogspot.com/ added authors over time
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[KevinMarks] this one calls itself a gang blog https://smallpieces.blogspot.com/
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[KevinMarks] team weblog, OK, that's good from Jeneane
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[KevinMarks] I think Jeneane instigated a lto of them https://www.blogger.com/profile/17594483069781415702
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[aciccarello] [tantek] capjamesg, I think Instagram uses the term co-author posts (disclaimer not an active IG user)
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[aciccarello] https://help.instagram.com/5861247717337470
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[aciccarello] I'm seeing some wordpress plugins using the term co-authors or multi-author posts https://wordpress.org/plugins/publishpress-authors/
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Loqi [preview] [PublishPress] Description PublishPress Authors allows you to create, manage and display authors for all your WordPress content. The plugin provides author boxes that can display one author, coauthors, multiple authors or even guest authors. The boxes have the aut...
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capjamesg [aciccarello]++ [KevinMarks]++
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capjamesg for the research!
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capjamesg And [tantek]++
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capjamesg for starting the discussion.
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[tantek] capjamesg++ great discussion! thanks for being bold and creating the new page
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[KevinMarks] Co-author posts is a bit different - the early blogger model was one author per post but multi author blogs
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[KevinMarks] But Co-author was a normal academic thing for papers, so once academics got involved they wanted it per post too.
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capjamesg Ghost allows more than one author on a post.
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capjamesg The field for setting an author is called "Authors"
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capjamesg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577502586273792/1452768163644313631/Screenshot_2025-12-22_at_21.01.42.png?ex=694b0349&is=6949b1c9&hm=8d7ad618d0f2bf495e88b99aff7bcc0baf8735aa04c882c9dd0e0e20012522c2&
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capjamesg Related to all this is the concept of joint-authorship, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_authorship
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capjamesg [edit] Related to all this is the concept of joint-authorship, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_authorship
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capjamesg But that sets a specific expectation of the amount of contribution to a work.
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[tantek] I'd expect WordPress does too?
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[tantek] hmm, maybe only with a plugin? https://wordpress.com/plugins/publishpress-authors
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[tantek] goodness there's a whole category of multiauthor plugins: https://wordpress.com/plugins/browse/multi-author/ surprised this is not in core
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