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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /mailbox.org (+31) "r" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /mkdocs (+50) "adding link to Zensical" (view diff)
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[artlung] what is tailscale?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tailscale" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tailscale is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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burgeonlab GWG: I like your idea, David!
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frasermclean.com created /User:Frasermclean.com (+288) "Created page with "{{Infobox person |name = Fraser McLean |url = https://frasermclean.com |photo_url = https://frasermclean.com/headshot-512.jpg |pronouns = he/him |summary = Software engineer and technology enthusiast |city = London |state = |country = United Kingdom |elsewhere = |contact = |chatname = }}"" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-349) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[artlung] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2026/05/homebrew-website-club-pacific-4oOTgSb1mgpm
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iwc-archive-bot Created https://indieweb.org/events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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jamesg.blog created /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+8801) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (-22) "cleanup pass" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:brennan (-1) "clipping white space" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+42) "/* Introductions */" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+0) "/* Naty's Zensical demo */" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+0) "/* Other SSG */" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+19) "domain swap" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+0) "/* Mail providers */ removing asterisks" (view diff)
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artlung.com created /Template:Brennan (+11) "for multiple usages" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+0) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+24) "/* Tilde Sites */" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+0) "/* Domain Swap? */" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] Re: domain swap. I would participate!
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[capjamesg] I’d need to check if I even have a domain left that I’m not using though. I probably do somewhere.
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[capjamesg] A fun twist might be to “rent” a subdomain on your website too.
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[artlung] I think it was gRegor who pointed out the archived swap site https://web.archive.org/web/20190405105543/https://domainswap.xyz/
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[artlung] an aaronpk joint!
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+35) "/* Tilde Sites */" (view diff)
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[artlung] https://indieweb.org/events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific#Tilde_Sites - gemini:// urls are not auto-detected or respected in wiki markup. I am hoping that's something we can alter in MediaWiki.
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+142) "/* Tilde Sites */ mike k" (view diff)
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[tantek] spam removal from #microformats chat: https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive/pull/125
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[capjamesg] tantek approved.
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gRegor We could link gemini URLs with a proxy https://indieweb.org/Gemini_protocol#Browse_on_the_web
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gRegor Would probably be a better experience for most browsing if they don't have an extension to support geimini://
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gRegor *gemini://
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[tantek] that's reasonable. could even make a {{gemini| ... }} template to handle the proxying so we could switch proxies as needed
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gRegor I feel mediawiki-sniped, jk :)
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[tantek] lol. more like template-sniped but yes 😄
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GWG burgeonlab: I wanted to structure it so it would be sustainable
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[Jo] this is a good idea i suggest http://proxy.mozz.us/gemini , it's been the most reliable over the past 3 years of using gemini proxies
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artlung.com created /Template:gemini (+63) "try number 1 gemini template" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+1) "try 2" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+7) "try 3" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+25) "https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Module:String maybe" (view diff)
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gRegor shouldn't need a module
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (-8) "try 4" (view diff)
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gRegor What are you running into [artlung]?
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[artlung] heya
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[artlung] trying to use this syntax: `{{gemini|url=gemini://tilde.pink/~brennan/}}`
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[artlung] resulting output needs to be [https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/tilde.pink/~brennan/ gemini://tilde.pink/~brennan/]
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[artlung] In https://indieweb.org/Template:gemini
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gRegor ohh gotcha
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gRegor yeah removing the `gemini://` scheme I'm not familiar with syntax offhand
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gRegor don't mind me :)
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[artlung] hah
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (+46) "/* Tilde Sites */ using new [[Template:gemini]] syntax (in development)" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+11) "try 5" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+1) "try 6" (view diff)
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gRegor Maybe https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions/String_functions##sub ?
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gRegor nope, didn't work on my sandbox page
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[artlung] yeah, does not work {{#sub:Icecream|3}}
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gRegor `{{#invoke:String|sub|gemini://|0|6}}` didn't work either
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[artlung] `{{str right|Icecream|3}}` does not work either
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[artlung] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Str_right
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gRegor Looks like this enables the Module namespace: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
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gRegor details about our current customizations: https://indieweb.org/MediaWiki_customizations
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gRegor this is vaguely familiar, think I ran into it years ago when I was trying to split out parts of a YYYY-MM-DD date
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gRegor Guess an alternative is to remove the scheme and have the template add it. Bit more work when pasting links. `{{gemini|url=tilde.pink/~brennan/}}`
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (-46) "try 6 I think" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+22) "try 7" (view diff)
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gRegor Ah, correction, looks like we'd need `$wgPFEnableStringFunctions = true;` It's already part of ParserFunctions which we have, but probably not enabled. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions#Installation
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[tantek] I feel like I ran into this with the "old indiewebcamp" template and yet managed to figure something out without the module
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/Template:past-iwc
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gRegor yeah, past-iwc is using functions on the current url / page name
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[tantek] maybe I got lucky
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[tantek] those functions should also work on params no?
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gRegor vs this is arbitrary text param
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gRegor Maybe. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##titleparts
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gRegor hey hey, promising: `{{#titleparts: gemini://example/path | | 2 }}` trims off the scheme
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gRegor [artlung] ^
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[artlung] yeah, seeing that
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+8) "try 8" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+1) "try 9" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Template:gemini (+8) "try 10" (view diff)
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[artlung] okay, got it working.
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+115) "/* testing */ gemini test" (view diff)
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[artlung] tantek++ gRegor++
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gRegor \o/
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[artlung] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##titleparts
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[artlung] I didn't try *subst:*
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[artlung] so you can see this working on https://indieweb.org/events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific#Tilde_Sites
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-05-27-hwc-pacific (-30) "/* Tilde Sites */ removing redundant instance" (view diff)
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[Jo] nice ! artlung++
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[artlung] `{{gemini|url=gemini://tilde.pink/~brennan/}} is the code to link to a gemini url`
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[artlung] We probably ought to let the provider of that proxy warning we're doing that
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[artlung] and find older gemini links in the wiki and wikify them
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gRegor Noticed they have an "I'm a human" button first time going through
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[artlung] programming is mostly just trying shit and letting people know it doesn't work and then have people also do the same thing: try shit and speak about it
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gRegor hehe
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gRegor Setting up a doc page for that template now
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[artlung] thank you gRegor!
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[tantek] nicely done [artlung]++
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[tantek] yes I spent far too much time figuring out that past-iwc template. glad some of that research went to further use 🙂
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gregorlove.com created /Template:gemini/doc (+343) "doc" (view diff)
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[artlung] I tried a script with document.write in a raw section. the script was suppressed and I saw a console warning to use jQuery or another thing I forget what it was
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[artlung] I TRIED A LOT OF SHIT
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[artlung] actually not suppressed, I think it was hidden with stylesheets maybe or disabled somehow
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:gemini (+64) "+includeonly, +noinclude doc page" (view diff)
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gRegor tantek++ thanks!
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gRegor artlung++
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[tantek] sorry [artlung] I wasn't paying close enough attention to this channel today. I missed the early series of attempts 🙈
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[artlung] The warnings on the string functions about NOBODY SHOULD FRICKING USE THESE WE HAVE NOT ENABLED THESE IN YEARS are great.
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[artlung] > *Warning: In 2013, it was decided that these functions will never be enabled on any Wikimedia wiki, because they are inefficient when used on a large scale (see phab:T8455 for some history). These functions do NOT work on Wikimedia wikis!*
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[artlung] I love an emphatic no in documentation.
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:gemini (-1) "-1 slash in path, #titleparts returns leading slash" (view diff)
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gRegor yeah I got a laugh from that
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gRegor And only if you aren't scared off by that at the end "Please ignore this warning if you are editing a self-hosted or third-party wiki that's not operated by WMF."
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gRegor XD
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gregorlove.com edited /Gemini_protocol (+62) "/* How To */ +Template:gemini" (view diff)
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