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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] [tantek] I think there is enough common ground to have one page. It would be nice if /demos listed IWC demos and also guidance on how to do a good demo both at IWC and HWC.
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-529) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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thamara_k Seeing some spam in #indieweb #indieweb-dev #indieweb-random. Is there anything I can do other than report?
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doesnm delete them from logs and call admins
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[capjamesg] I have just weighted in.
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[capjamesg] And deleted posts in Slack in #indieweb-dev and #indieweb-random.
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[capjamesg] I think we’ll need tantek or aaronpk to remove them on Discord.
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thamara_k thanks!
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[tantek] Anyone can create PRs to remove them from the logs
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[tantek] What is irc spam
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "irc spam" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "irc spam is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Huh
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[tantek] What is chat spam
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Loqi discuss infrastructure is documentation of various internal plumbing which runs the IndieWeb discussion chat rooms, chat logs, bots, dealing with spam, and experiments related to that plumbing https://indieweb.org/chat_spam
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[tantek] ^ instructions there
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thamara_k Thanks [tantek]
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[tantek] Feel free to drop the PR here for review
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tantek.com [capjamesg] removed those messages from Discord -dev and -random.
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thamara_k I won't touch any GH repos now since I'm not on a computer, but now I know for next time
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[capjamesg] tantek++ thank you!
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Loqi tantek has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (145 in all channels)
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artlung.com edited /Instagram (+375) "/* Export Tools */ adding an example of successful usage of memento mori" (view diff)
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[jeremycherfas] artlung++ I also need to do a fresh download.
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Loqi artlung has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (231 in all channels)
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morganwebdev We discussed Instagram exports/lingering feelings of being glued to that platform, interested to check out memento mori
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morganwebdev Recently* discussed
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morganwebdev A while ago I added the steps Ive taken to do bulk export of images, but it has a lot of limitations
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morganwebdev Suffice to say, it gives me a lot of feelings of power relatively and control, such as being able to export a large bulk of several instagram pages Ive helped manage, but hey who knows if it will completely enshittify beyond the pale any day now. Good to have~
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gregorlove.com edited /DigitalOcean (+660) "rename example section, +Criticism: financial support for Omacom Foundation/Omarchy" (view diff)
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[Mike] re DigitalOcean: Ah, nuts.
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[Mike] I would like to see either a reference to the mentioned conversation among developers, or a list of most popularly-proposed alternatives for people who want to move away.
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[capjamesg] Hetzner is good!
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[tantek] [capjamesg] that reminds me I need to document their overly drastic identity (passport) requirements. To me that's sufficient to disqualify Hetzner as "good". We should not be normalizing mere web hosting to require "show me your papers" behaviors
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[Mike] I have heard strongly mixed things about Hetzner. The price is right, and a lot of people sure do like them, but I've also heard a few too many people complain about having their accounts mysteriously closed.
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[capjamesg] I think I went looking for more on this a while ago and couldn’t find a good source, but https://www.hetzner.com/legal/privacy-policy/ seems to have the passport scenario documented.
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[capjamesg] “In some cases, especially if there are doubts about the accuracy of the data you provided or if the risk check shows unusual results, we may ask you to submit a valid ID document (e.g. national ID card or passport).”
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[capjamesg] I’m not sure how they are doing the “prediction about how likely it is that you will meet your contractual payment obligations and use our services responsibly” though.
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[Mike] I dunno. After this summers AI-agents-breaking-sandbox-and-ganging-up-on-the-rest-of-the-internet-capades, I'm seriously not crazy about invasive demands for very sensitive documents. Pretty much phone number or worse, I'm not comfortable with providing.
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[capjamesg] Yeah. I just wanted to note that Hetzner does document the what, why, how, legal bases, data partner, and appeals process around ID verification.
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[capjamesg] TL;DR: This is all worth documenting.
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[tantek] In practice I think this means they are not hungry/competitive enough for "new customers" — they believe they can place higher requirements/friction on new customers than anyone here should tolerate IMO. So better to not give them any new customer business, no matter how reliable they have been to existing customers.
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[Mike] I reluctantly agree. Practical problem is, it's getting harder and harder to find service providers who don't have *some* unacceptable term or behavior. Were this another forum this would be the first line of a rant about economics; but I will restrain myself here.
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[Mike] I hate settling for "least bad" but it's getting hard to avoid that.
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[social] I’m hitting the “least bad” of late and not fond of it.
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[tantek] There are smaller providers (who are "hungrier" for new customers) in Europe that are worth exploring, pretty sure we have chatted about them informally / otr in the past
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gRegor [Mike] re: discussions, mostly anecdotes I've seen on Bluesky, not necessarily a lot of specifics on alternatives (though I'm also not digging deep since I'm not on DigitalOcean). I found out about this via our own Jacky and a post in the stream channel reminded me of it so figured I'd add it. Expansion/updates welcome!
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gRegor https://bsky.app/profile/davidcel.is/post/3mv3skjbjkv2l/quotes
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[Mike] Fair enough—the addition is appreciated.
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gRegor of course, glad to
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