#microformats 2011-02-21

2011-02-21 UTC
tobyink, kennyluck, GasbaKid, iwaim, iwaim__, matthewrankin, csarven, Hey_neken, mkaply and gym_jane joined the channel
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gym_jane hi all
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gym_jane any microformat ninjas around?
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gym_jane can you microformat a blog post?
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singpolyma gym_jane: you mean hAtom?
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gym_jane hmm i have no idea tbh
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gym_jane lol
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gym_jane its a wordpress blog
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csarven gym_jane You may be able to find an existing microformats theme/plugin for WP. I don't know what state they are in however. Have your HTML output something like this: <div class="hentry"><h1 class="entry-title">Hello World!</h1><div class="entry-content"><p>My first post.</p></div><p>Written by <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">Jane Smith</span></span> on <span class="published"><span class="value">2011-02-21</span></span>
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Phae the sandbox theme was a pretty decent out-of-the-box starter with microformatty niceness
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Phae i assume it's 3.0+ compat
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tantek csarven - you don't actually need the <span class="value"> markup. just the "published" span is enough (with the ISO datetime inside)
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csarven tantek I see. I thought this value/value-title was the preferred method nowadays.
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tantek you only need value/value-title if you're duplicating the content with human and machine readable variants
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csarven I personally still use <abbr class="published" title= :)
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tantek the *preferred* method is to not duplicate the content
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tantek which, if you just use internationally human-readable ISOdates - work just fine
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tantek csarven - the abbr is fine if you *only* put the date
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tantek in the title
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tantek if you're putting a full iso datetime - then you're causing accessibility problems for some folks.
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tantek (in the title attribute)
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tantek you can still use abbr - for dates and times, but that's when you need to use class="value" and separate abbr elements for date and time
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tantek Phae, I just restarted apache btw
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Phae thanks
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tantek site seems to be back up - I couldn't find anything obvious in the error log that would indicate why it went down.
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Phae :/ odd
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tantek edited /parsers (-196) "Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Leifnsn|Leifnsn]] ([[User talk:Leifnsn|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]]" (view diff)
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phae edited /admins (+1) "can't even spell my own name, apparently :)" (view diff)
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tantek hober, we should finalize plans for the microformats dinner/drinks on Tuesday
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tantek last we chatted I think we were chatting about moving the venue from 21A (since we've gone there a lot) to Naan 'N Chutney in the Lower Haight, followed by Toronado afterwards - does that still sound good to you?
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Phae don't over do it. you've gotta save yourselves up for the one I can actually come to :)
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Phae aw @ whoever added me as a special guest star on the event page
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Phae checks history
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SimonW Quick easy question: if I'm microformatting up something that's in Austin, what do I put after the Z ?
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SimonW (hate hate hate timezones)
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tantek SimonW - you don't use Z if you want to markup Austin's timezone
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tantek SimonW - also - is NatBat on here? Could you ask which docs in particular " are NOT clear at all" in reference to this tweet: https://twitter.com/Natbat/status/39764301744971777
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tantek would love to know which wiki pages she found unclear so we can improve them
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SimonW she was talking about this one http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern
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tantek note the note at the top of that page
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SimonW linked to from the hcalendar-cheetsheet page, which links to that for the "(ISO date)" text
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SimonW yes, that note makes things even more confusing!
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tantek apparently insufficient to indicate the page is out of date?
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tantek ok
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tantek ah cheatsheet ok
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tantek now I understand how you got there
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SimonW is the value-class pattern supported by any of the microformats ecosystem tools yet?
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SimonW it doesn't look like h2v handles it
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SimonW and we were worried about Google's microformats parser as well
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tantek X2V, Google, and Operator all support value class pattern
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SimonW great, that's good to hear
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tantek edited /hcalendar-cheatsheet (-58) "unlink date-time-design until we have fixed that page - sending people there doesn't help." (view diff)
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SimonW any hints on how can we represent a time of an event that's in Austin, complete with timezone?
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tantek edited /value-class-pattern (+241) "Google has parsed value-title since January 2010 as part of hCalendar parsing for rich snippets, split consuming/publishing tools" (view diff)
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tantek wonders when http://austin.adactio.com/ will get updated
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tantek SimonW - do you have a sample URL to an event that's in Austin to use as a real world example?
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tantek oh and regarding "is the value-class pattern supported by any of the microformats ecosystem tools?" see: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Implementations
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SimonW http://lanyrd.com/2011/sxsw/sgkp/ is an example event
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tantek edited /value-class-pattern (+308) "/* FAQ */ add FAQ re: Is the value-class pattern supported from SimonW in IRC, clean up a few prev Qs." (view diff)
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tantek SimonW - your presenting of times and dates looks similar to the 2nd example documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-authoring#Separate_dates_and_times
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tantek but as @ginader has pointed out on twitter, using abbr for the full datetime presents accessibility problems. abbr *just* for date is ok though (since ISOdates are the most internationally human usable/readable/accessible date format)
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tantek so the key is, do you know what the timezone offset from Z is for that event?
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SimonW no!
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SimonW well, it's 6 hours from UTC
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SimonW but... I'm not sure how to deal with daylight savings time
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SimonW (which, incidentally, changes half way through SXSW, just to make things extra tricky0
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tantek you have to know that in your backend - the timezone offset for any particular event
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tantek timezone offset is essentially just a number (+/-)
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tantek (there are places in the world with fractional timezones
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tantek but we'll leave that for later for the moment)
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tantek as far as how to deal with DST, you're going to need to keep track of location/city and their DST offset per time of year (start here for fun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time )
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tantek this may be more useful for programming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoneinfo
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tantek edited /value-excerption-value-title-test (+207) "see value-class-pattern instead" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours-examples (+1211) "fixed up intro and suggestions for clearly paths forward, added issues to the only proposal so far" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours-examples (+127) "add related" (view diff)
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