#microformats 2011-04-08

2011-04-08 UTC
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rocky1138 hi all
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rocky1138 anyone around for a discussion about an idea for a possible microformat?
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rocky1138 just reading the wiki and didn't see something similar on the exploratory disc.
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rocky1138 I'll throw it out here and pop in and out to see if it's generated any response since you all might be away, etc.
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rocky1138 problem: browsing websites with images enabled is much slower than with them disabled, but how can a web designer/developer tell the browser which images are important and which are unimportant to the content?
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rocky1138 possible solution ./ idea: a microformat that web developers can use to hint to the browser which ones to show. a Firefox/browser extension would pick up the microformat info and show those, leaving the rest on the server and not requested
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rocky1138 conclusion: browsing would be snappier on these web sites (especially on low-performance machines) while still showing the most important images in the content, etc.
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rocky1138 possible solution / alternate: the same effect may be done with a browser extension and, instead of a microformat, using the z-index to decide priority of the images
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rocky1138 but I'm not sure if that really applies as z-index does not equal priority in POSH
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rocky1138 just throwing out ideas
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rocky1138 simply: instead of "load images on sites" being a boolean, I'd like to see it be "load only high priority images on sites" to help speed up browsing, reduce bandwidth use, etc.
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csarven rocky1138 1See the microformat's process in the Wiki.
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csarven rocky1138 Also, what you describe can be done by the publisher/developer by only including the "important" <img/> in HTML, and use JavaScript to pull in the other ones at user's request. The thing is that when you include <img/> the browser will HTTP GET on those resources. An extension to prevent or prioritize any of that is hacky workaround.
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csarven If the publisher wants to speed of page load or whatever, they can simply follow good information architecture practices. For example, in this case, they can break a page with many images into multiple pages
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csarven Lastly, what you put forward has to do with page performance problems, as opposed to microformats, which is intended to help publish data that's geared for humans consumption by also making them machine processable.
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csarven IMHO :)
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Loqi o rly?
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csarven Is Loqi a bot? I can't remember
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Loqi is done
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jordanmoore edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+75) "/* Individuals */" (view diff)
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davemanfi edited /hreview-feedback (+79) "example sited." (view diff)
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rocky1138 looking for more feedback on my idea for prioritizing image HTTP GET requests using a microformat
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rocky1138 very interested to hear what you guys & gals think, hoping to get a bit of a discussion going
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hober rocky1138: rel=prefetch doesn't fdo what you want?
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rocky1138 haven't heard of that before, will look into that now and see
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rocky1138 thank you
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hober html wg adopts microformats wiki for registering rel values: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0204.html
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Phae oo
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Phae well, that's kinda interesting
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hober indeed
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Phae probably worth noting the section on reasons they'd revisit that decision
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Phae if we want to make sure we're gold with that
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Phae that's an interesting read, regardless of that decision. they make some interesting points/insights into problems or issues with our processes or how we might be viewed as a community
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hober Yes, we can even use that section as inspiration to proactively improve things
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Phae probably worth going through and seeing if we can address some of those points
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hober definitely
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Phae yeah
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Phae yay. that's exciting though. i am pleased.
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hober I'm rather chuffed about it
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Phae tantek needs to wake up
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Phae right. gotta go. catch you later.
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hober later!
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rocky1138 Just finished reading that link about the html wg and microformat's rel value registry
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rocky1138 very cool, congrats :)
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hober thanks
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hober tantek: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20110408#l-67
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tantek reads
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tantek ah very good
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tantek yes we should work to address even the "weak" objections/issues related to using the microformats wiki as a rel registry
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tantek congrats on the success of your change proposal hober
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hober thanks! :) with the issue-27 decision, every single change proposal I've written or helped to write has been adopted by the wg. :)
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