#microformats 2011-04-13

2011-04-13 UTC
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jlgeering edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+88) "/* new and uncategorized examples */" (view diff)
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jlgeering edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+0) "/* new and uncategorized examples */" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hcard (+503) "usability improvements: add a simple example right at the top, collapse with "want to create" prose, rename longer introduction to background because that's what it is" (view diff)
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chiui hi
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chiui I have a question on hcards
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tantek greetings chiui
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chiui all examples I see are both semantic and visible to the user
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chiui what about if I want to have a specific representation e.g. for the address
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tantek visible data drives accurate data
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chiui of course I see it's generally good to do that way
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chiui but what if I already have both the raw data and a pretty representation.. can I hide the semantic data and show the pretty representation
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chiui the representation depends on i18n, user preference, stuff...
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tantek even if you "already have them" the maintenance cost/risk of such duplicate data results in drift / inaccuracy over time
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tantek could you provide a URL to an example that depends on i18n, user preference, stuff...
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tantek ?
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chiui sorry no, it's an unreleased project
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chiui is it just bad policy to hide the semantic data, or completely wrong and nonworking?
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chiui tantek, another example is family/given name order
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tantek it is bad policy because it is bad longterm
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tantek in practice
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tantek family/given name order changing is fine - you just have to mark them up explicitly then with "given-name" and "family-name"
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tantek in fact it's ok to always do so (use those to mark them up)
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chiui or telephone numbers which are often displayed with spaces, dashes and other illegal characters
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tantek chiui - could you give an example of such a phone number? (feel free to change the actual #s but use the actual/real "spaces, dashes and other illegal characters" that you speak of)
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chiui +NN NNN-NNNNNNN
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Loqi slaps chiui with a large trout
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chiui omnomnom
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tantek chiui - <span class="tel"><span class="value">+NN</span> <span class="value">NNN</span>-<span class="value">NNNNNNN</span></span>
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tantek edited /hcard (+556) "/* Value excerpting */ add value excerpting concatenation and example for tel" (view diff)
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tantek chiui - now documented, take a look: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Value_excerpting
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jKnight I understand the conept of creating an hcard and marking up my content with the appropriate classes within that hcard. But would it be correct or incorrect to mark up content outside that hcard with those same classes ie. I have a site that has the company name listed in a few different places on the site including the hcard I created, would it be wrong to mark up each place with an org cllass?
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csarven jKnight It would not be incorrect. Nothing stops you from using those class names anywhere, anytime.
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csarven It is simply the difference between having those data components picked up by a microformats parser or not.
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csarven Unless there are validators, parsers that do heuristics where they may treat those 'broken' hCards as an hCard. But, I doubt that will be the case (at least not to my knowledge of the parsers), or you have to worry about that. An edge case most likely.
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john david edited /wiki-2 (+159) "/* Credits */" (view diff)
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jKnight The way that google and other search engines are now handling microformats, would it be beneficial in anyway to uses those classes throughout your site, for better findability?
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johndevid486 edited /rel-nofollow (+159) "/* additional lists of issues */" (view diff)
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csarven jKnight Again, it is either a microformat or not. Whether some systems gives any value to those names is not easy to know nor necessarily consistent over time.
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jKnight ok thanks
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kitaitimakoto edited /hcard-ja (+1335) "sync: english: 2011-04-13T20:15:17" (view diff)
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