#microformats 2011-07-19

2011-07-19 UTC
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knittl hi.
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knittl is it possible to specify the telephone type without visibly adding it to the markup?
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tantek no point in publishing invisible data - it will likely rot
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tantek so just leave it out
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knittl hrm
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knittl tantek: i only have one phone number, so i'd like to give it type mobile
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knittl but i don't need it written on my page
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tantek the point is, you might eventually transfer that number to Google Voice etc. and then it is no longer strictly a mobile number, however, because that information is not visible whereever you're publishing, you're not likely to notice that the information is out of date and thus it rots.
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tantek so no, you don't really want to bother wasting time giving it an invisible type
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tantek or if the type matters to you, then it deserves to be visible
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tantek and then the likelihood that you'll fix it goes way up
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knittl ok
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knittl thanks :)
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knittl still: is it possible? :D – without the use of css
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chl Hi guys, this is Chris Lea from (mt) Media Temple
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chl I've just downgraded PHP on the (mt) server to 5.2.6 so mediawiki should be working.
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chl if people can test that would be tremendous.
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tantek edited /admin-how-to (+786) "drafted some server transition testing bits / stubs" (view diff)
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tantek edited /admin-how-to (+67) "/* server transition testing */ current servers being tested" (view diff)
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tantek chl - it looks like http://mt.microformats.org/ just redirects to http://microformats.org/ - defeating testability
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tantek folks, adminhelp (benward, Phae et al), I've drafted up some key aspects of the site to test in a transition scenario (such as we have) - would really appreciate your contributions here: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-how-to#server_transition_testing
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chl I'd recommend pinning your hosts file so that microformats.org points to the (mt) IP. that's the only way to *really* be sure you're seeing what you'll see when DNS moves.
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chl adding this line should do it
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chl 64.207.154.205 www.microformats.org microformats.org
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tantek chl - we're not ready to throw that switch yet though - we should test everything we can first (instead of breaking, reverting, and repeating)
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chl if you're using os x, you'll probably have to run this to flush the local dns cache
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chl dscacheutil -flushcache
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tantek adding to wiki
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chl @tantek yeah, i'm not implying we shoudl switch dns back over. just saying that changing your hosts file is a better way to test than using mt.microformats.org, in case there's any stuff that's wired to just microformats.org in the code.
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tantek edited /admin-how-to (+296) "/* server transition testing */ DNS flush tips, irc bots" (view diff)
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tantek chl - for those of us that aren't entire sure what you mean by "pinning your hosts file" - let's be more specific - it sounded like you wanted someone to edit the hosts file on the old server
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tantek which doesn't make sense
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chl sorry, no, i meant to edit your hosts file on your local computer.
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chl http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file/
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chl that article shows how to do it for windows, os x, and linux.
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chl (sorry, i do this all the freaking time, i forgot not everybody does :) )
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chl if if you add the line I put above to the hosts file on your local machine, and do the flush cache thing in os x, then restart your browser, it will be have *exactly* as if you'd switched actual DNS. so that's why it's the best way to test.
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tantek chl - add to the start or end of the hosts file?
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tantek does it matter?
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tantek edited /admin-how-to (+616) "/* server transition testing */ editing your local hosts file" (view diff)
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