#microformats 2011-10-03

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Loqi [http://twitter.com/Webprotech] Move over Basic Search Results, Google Rich Snippets are here http://t.co/YtXjOpI7 via @seancarlos
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1417) "start drafting explicit lists of v2 vocabularies with h-card partial property list and respective compat properties" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+78) "/* Summary */ add "properties" to group properties to JSON equivalents, similar to microdata JSON data model" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (-49) "/* h-card */ root class name same as the name" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1354) "/* h-card */ add h-adr vocabulary and compat adr" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/HaggleSearch] Weekend Review: Enhance Search Engine Visibility With Microformats & Structured Data http://t.co/opfXEsMS via @sengineland
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/bigskinnyboy] Sometimes I go to add hcard microformats but change my mind because I know the client will fuck it up as it's editable.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jessicabowman] For those getting resistance on microformats, interesting article you may want to forward. http://t.co/zD2fUn5C
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/nuttakorn] For those getting resistance on microformats, interesting article you may want to forward. http://t.co/7VwIbv5d via @jessicabowman
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tantek benward, I just ran some tests and it looks like it *is* possible to have a mix of strings and objects in a JS array.
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tantek so I'm thinking it's better to keep the simple property case (something that turns into a string) quite simple (without needing ".value" to access it)
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tantek and thus consider using the array of values to also store the dual string+object versions of a property value
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tantek the simplest case is a property has one value, which is then easy, you just get [0] and you know it's a string
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tantek if/when iterating through the values array of a property, if you see an object (typeof x === "object"), then treat it as a structured version of the previous string value, rather than another value.
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tantek and if you don't care about structured property values, then you can skip all the objects and just use the strings
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/pramodwbcom] Local Search SEO Contact Page displays business information and also adds a QR code, hCard/vCard, Google map. http://t.co/MKJiR6Qm
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/GovindWbcom] Local Search SEO Contact Page displays business information and also adds a QR code, hCard/vCard, Google map. http:/… http://t.co/M9oxXS7a
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/GovindWbcom] Local Search SEO Contact Page displays business information and also adds a QR code, hCard/vCard, Google map. http://t.co/SiTy2A2Y
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/johncusack39] Employing Microformats & Structured Data For Enhanced Search Engine Visibility http://t.co/LamS4aRK via @sengineland
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/apprentice1234] Employing Microformats & Structured Data For Enhanced Search Engine Visibility http://t.co/cMcpFmGJ via @sengineland
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/shokun0803] @shinichiN この辺じゃないっすか http://t.co/fqTCHuuu google先生にもあります http://t.co/ZqcjMn6V 使わないなら必要ないですけど、最近のブログなどでは利用されているようです。
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tantek benward - continued - ah I remembered that I'd figured out how to put both string value and object types+properties into the same object, so amended:
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tantek the array of values for a property has either a string or an object for each value
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/frozenminds] @microformats and @portenkirchner: Thanx for the retweet. Much appreciated.
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tantek if it's an object, then its .value has the string representation
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tantek that's a bit neater/cleaner, that is
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tantek if/when iterating through the values array of a property, if you see an object (typeof x === "object"), then treat it as value that has *both* a string value in its .value, and is an object of .types with .properties.
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tantek this has two nice advantages:
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tantek 1. the array of values of a property contains one entry for each value of the property from the markup
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tantek 2. in the simple/common case of just string values, each entry in the array is just a string and needs no further dereferencing.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/frozenminds] @microformats thanx for the tweet and @portenkirchner for the retweet. Much appreciated.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/htmlmicrodata] The difference! Microdata, microformats and RDFa? Bottomline: RDFa = hard, microf. = unofficial microd. = official http://t.co/I0Lht9O2
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/ma2shita] microdataとmicroformatsには対応したので、あとはGoogleショッピングでどう出るか。
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/funkyproject] @nico_somb il me semble que les http://t.co/LF8qlpyt sont plus standards mais je connais pas plus que ça schema.org
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/webase] Schema.org Workshop – A Path Forward - http://t.co/YOUwpTbE #semantics #RDFa #Microdata #Microformats
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/memimedia] Schema.org Workshop – A Path Forward - http://t.co/B1RKkGv4 #semantics #RDFa #Microdata #Microformats
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tantek created /microformats-2-implied-properties (+7158) "moved from [[microformats-2-brainstorming]], wrote-up proper copy, provided JSON parsed data examples, additional patterns, rejected patterns" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2-implied-properties (-1) "cr" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2-brainstorming () "(-2563) move further simplifications to [[microformats-2-implied-properties]]" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+88) "/* Summary */ note more details at microformats-2-implied-properties and all properties optional" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/dicarve] Semua serba semantik di zaman Web 2.0, Microformat adalah salah satu usaha men-sematik-an HTML #libraryscience
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+807) "add h-geo vocabulary" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1141) "add h-event vocabulary start" (view diff)
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ChiefRA re all
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jaymyers hello all
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jaymyers can anyone provide me with some information on language support in microformats?
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jaymyers i see a brainstorming page on the wiki, not sure if concepts are actually used in practice
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jaymyers from what i can see people are using lang attribute
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jaymyers also, would lang attribute support extend to microformats 2?
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1447) "add h-entry vocabulary start" (view diff)
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ChiefRA tantek do you happen to know if any Search Engines support microformats 2 yet?
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chiefra edited /parsers (+288) "Added Rich Snippets Tool from Google" (view diff)
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chiefra edited /parsers (+8) "grammar correction" (view diff)
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tantek hi ChiefRA
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ChiefRA hi tantek
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tantek I don't know if any search engine has started on microformats 2 support yet - however we did discuss microformats 2 at the recent schema.org workshop with many representatives from Google, Bing, Yahoo, and a few others (Yondex, Baidu) as well.
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tantek btw the Google Rich Snippets Tool is not really a standalone parser that you can programmatically use - it's more of a validator for testing purposes.
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tantek ChiefRA, rather than put it on the "parsers" page, it would be more appropriate for the http://microformats.org/wiki/validators page.
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tantek also note that Transformr does deliberately omit the trailing "e" - https://github.com/WebOrganics/TransFormr
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ChiefRA ahhh ok, my mistake.
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ChiefRA I'll correct that.
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ChiefRA I'll place the Google tool to the validators
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ChiefRA I'll link the Validators page also at the bottom of the Parsers page, for usability.
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tantek yes that's a good idea
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chiefra edited /parsers (-295) "moved the GoogleTool to Validators page and a small grammar correction reverted" (view diff)
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chiefra edited /parsers (+17) "added validators page link for usability" (view diff)
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chiefra edited /validators (+300) "added Google Rich Snippets Testing Tool as a microformats validator" (view diff)
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ChiefRA tantek see if you like it this way.
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chiefra edited /validators (+14) "added link to parsers for usability" (view diff)
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tantek edited /parsers (+44) "add reference to validators to intro paragraph, sort see also" (view diff)
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tantek looks good made a few tweaks
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tantek edited /validators (+160) "more details for Google Rich Snippets tool, put after Optimus since it checks fewer microformats and properties than Optimus" (view diff)
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tantek ChiefRA - made a few tweaks there too - take a look and let me know what you think!
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tantek edited /validators (+44) "/* Google Rich Snippets Testing Tool */ also tests rel-author and rel-me indirectly" (view diff)
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ChiefRA tantek it looks nice, thanks :)
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tantek Thanks for documenting it!
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ChiefRA yw
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ChiefRA tantek how can I delete the spammers pages? I don;t see any option, am I missing something from there ?
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tantek where do you see them?
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tantek URL?
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ChiefRA yeah
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ChiefRA they create also pages for their respective products spamming.
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ChiefRA I can delete the entire page content, but I don;t know how to remove the implied page.
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tantek deleting the page content helps - you can replace it with just "delete me" if you want and then ask for "adminhelp" here in the channel
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tantek one of the wiki admins will take care of deleting the page and blocking the spam account
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1685) "document sample h-event location h-card combination with parsed JSON output also" (view diff)
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tantek benward - when you get back - I believe I've documented a fairly sufficient example of how nested microformats 2 microformats are both expressed in markup and parsed into JSON.
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tantek see: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#combining_microformats
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/neogeografen] Nu de nye ministre og folketingsmedlemer i online mashup http://t.co/AkGXzPGd #googlemapsapi #imagecutter
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/JudyBellem] Weekend Review: Enhance Search Engine Visibility With Microformats & Structured Data -- http://t.co/dt9oHoEy -- via @sengineland
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/internuts] @laurakalbag The speaker portraits are stellar, the subtle opacity via rgba is ace and i LOVE the use of microformats on speakers/schedule.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/laurakalbag] @internuts oh you're lovely! I appreciate your noticing the microformats, I'm a semantics obsessive :D
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/internuts] http://t.co/fKWHHLrI Gorgeous, responsive design by @laurakalbag - Clean, semantic markup, uses microformats and looks ace.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jessicabowman] For those getting resistance on microformats, interesting article you may want to forward. http://t.co/Yonp8wm7
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/wjonthomas] Feels good to finally start implementing microformats and WAI-ARIA roles in sites. #hardboiled
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/pelaphptutor] #PHP Coding Job - Convert CSV Input into #HTML Output Conforming to Hreview Microformat http://0.mk/de76a #jobs
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/AsadCrossing] Working on some ideas to evolve @microformats for the #socialweb. Would love to talk if you have similar interests. #microformats