#microformats 2011-11-02
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/101byben] #Микроформаты (microformats) / До ÑвиданиÑ, <time> http://t.co/vsikKEMI #йенхикÑон #html5 #html5time
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/CraftBeersBrews] .@AugustaGolfGirl Additional tip: Want all ur followers 2 C ur RT? Use .@ rather than just @
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/razor_rus] Микроформаты (microformats) / До ÑвиданиÑ, <time> http://t.co/rVg62q9s
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/charlesroper] @pigsonthewing I'll subscribe to that list then. Is the schema.org community more friendly than the microformats one?
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/Alltop_SEO] Fresh Egg Gains Insight into Microformats http://t.co/hzvtdPOJ
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/terazzo] 宣戦布告用ã®microformatsãŒå¿…è¦
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/dypa] До ÑвиданиÑ, <time> / Микроформаты (microformats) / Хабрахабр http://t.co/wqvG6BZ1
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/alexeypolarny] Ðеееееет!!! Ðто был мой любимый RT @dypa: До ÑвиданиÑ, <time> / Микроформаты (microformats) / Хабрахабр http://t.co/66Mo62HA
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/RdfaIbra] http://t.co/CDPrjIuL Schema, Google, and Microformats « Martian Doodles
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/Macmodi] Microformats and SEO presentation: http://t.co/Lk6VBn2H How to implement microformats & RDF with actionable HTML code examples. #seo
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/neogeografen] Tilbage til 1995? så skal du bare bruge WebGIS http://t.co/BlfPIzF9 #rawdatanow #odis
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/WolfieZero] @RussellBishop In theory though, if you aren't worried about microformats or likes thereof, you should avoid using classes altogether.
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/demotive] Um. Microformats, Microdata or both?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/methods] 534 likes: HTML5 Custom Data Attributes (data-*) | HTML5 Doctor http://t.co/7DQyqkiY #microformats via @stylewedding
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/1024jp] reading。Microformatsãー。｜HTML5 è¿½åŠ ã•ã‚ŒãŸ data è¦ç´ ã«ã¤ã„㦠http://t.co/OXlvpTvo
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/1024jp] microformatã¯å¤¢ã‚‚ã‚ã‚‹ã‘ã©ã‚½ãƒ¼ã‚¹ã®å¯èªæ€§ãŒã•ãŒã‚‹ã€‚
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/liamgh] Didn't realise that there is a microformat for quizzes: http://t.co/OA08AdT2 Difficult to parse though?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/dahlbyk] Web devs: microformats.org or schema.org or both?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/JamesEggers] @dahlbyk microformats - there's already a lot of tools and browser plug-ins to identify and export the data into consumable types.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/briandukes] . @dahlbyk schemaorg/microdata has big search engine backing + standardized syntax
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/JamesEggers] @dahlbyk Exporting the data in an hcard or hcal format can be directly imported into outlook also. Not seeing that with "schema.org"
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/sclarson] @dahlbyk Google/Yahoo/bing all announced support schema.org, pretty sure google and yahoo both support microformats, not sure on bing.
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac Jeff Jaffe is asking if it is time to revisit the w3c standards process... a methodology that works for us: http://t.co/zub30cd7
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/codeblam] Get started with Microformats - http://t.co/OazEihnW
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @cssquirrel Microdata works, now, in Google. Microformats don't so much. Microformats have never had a killer application.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @cssquirrel you're comparing a process to a syntax there. Microformats are defined by empiricism: http://t.co/zub30cd7 microdata as markup
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] I need to get an outside opinion. Microformats versus Microdata. Go. #cagematch
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/habr24h] Микроформаты (microformats) → До ÑвиданиÑ, <time> http://t.co/zOVXLUyG #habr
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/LeftyDesigner] Curious about @emilylewis' opinion on this. RT @cssquirrel I need to get an outside opinion. Microformats versus Microdata. Go.
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel Vast majority of Google Rich Snippets in results are from @microformats markup on pages: http://t.co/rxqGFdT3
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] Microformats: nice idea with no decent parser or consumption application. Microdata: less open, but with Google doing things with the data.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats @cssquirrel - the future is microdata, the W3C standard: http://t.co/A0xgZBrL
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox simple Google searches refute that. @microformats OSS parsers: http://t.co/8g2uTtjn and search consumers: http://t.co/s2nC8b6S
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] Microformats are the HTML4 way of doing what is now native in HTML through the microdata property. http://t.co/86EjNmAx
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats There are utilities, yes. But I have never seen a use for them personally. I don't want an app, I want services to use them.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox if you've never seen a use for them, you haven't been paying attention to Google Rich Snippets which launched with @microformats
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] My beef with microformats was they promised a new semantic web. It never happened. You rel='friend' and no site or search service cared.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/PennyAuctionsx] CQout Unites with Microformats http://t.co/KhABTmMb #auctions #penny auctions
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel @microformats work now: published on billions of pages, supported by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc. Future is open.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I've certainly never seen Rich Snippets do much that's useful to me as a user.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox wrong on both. @microformats specifically did not promise "semantic web". And Google SG API uses rel=friend. Do some research.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats @cssquirrel Google themselves say they are to concentrate on microdata. The future is microdata. Made for purpose.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Point 2) http://t.co/A0xgZBrL Google's future is microdata focused.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox if you don't find Rich Snippets useful, you may want to recheck yourself re: hype what/why Google is supporting what, now/future
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Did you read the link I sent on the Google blog explicitly saying they were concentrating on microdata? Read.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I also think microformats were a great idea ahead of their time. But there's a property specifically for doing their job now.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I'm not saying Rich Snippets won't evolve into something useful. I'm saying right now I don't find them useful.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @cssquirrel To the average web user, who exposes any mocrodata/microformat to them? Answer: Google, and that's about it. So if Google...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox article out of date. @ #Schemaorg workshop subsequently, Google announced they care not re syntax #microdata #microformats #rdfa
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @cssquirrel @microformats Microdata is simply doing what microformats did, but with newer more semantically appropriate attributes.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @cssquirrel I don't see any service getting the average user seeing microformat/data effects other than Google any time soon.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Thanks for that update :) Care not now, or care not in future too? Again, I still think mF outdated, mD is a for-purpose attrb
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] Neither microdata nor microformats are important in average user minds, despite many years of work. Because no service provides a killer use
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] @microformats, @mattwilcox Same question for microformats and microformats.org.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] @microformats, @mattwilcox So the question: Is microdata open in theory or in practice? (How much say does public have on schema.org?)
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] .@microformats Google's an example. I'm saying BOTH don't matter to 99% of end users at the moment as nothing meaningful done with that data
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] @microformats I completely agree there. @MattWilcox
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel saying only Google matters is as flawed as only IE matters or only Webkit matters. open web is bigger than any co.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @cssquirrel microdata is a syntax. http://t.co/K9aXzf9R is a cartel. http://t.co/JbRX3NtI is a wiki.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox now, since 2009 Google launched Rich Snippets with #microformats #microdata #rdfa support. #schemaorg workshop discussed future.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @cssquirrel @microformats I'm also using Google as the example as they have the biggest "normal user" reach, therefor potential to impact.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats So you're saying that in future Google may simply ignore mF as they have expressed a future focus on mD? Or future cont both?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @cssquirrel @mattwilcox http://t.co/GZEHMmUa has open / public domain (CC0) wiki with history, mailing list, irc: http://t.co/uiyKuuQK
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @cssquirrel wiki, clearly. http://t.co/v28flGd7 has an edit button
# Loqi http://t.co/K9aXzf9R doesn't even have an edit history.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] Everyone please feel free to vote. Preference of use? Microformats using microformats syntax, or Microformats using microdata syntax?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel we're collaborating on that ideal. microformats 2 defines syntax & vocabs usable with #microformats #microdata #rdfa
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox #microformats #microdata #rdfa work today in Google, and expected to multiple syntaxes in future also. vocabs are in flux though
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] @microformats So you find mF using microdata syntax a good road forward? @MattWilcox
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats That sounds pretty nice. Again though, the advantage of schema .org is surety of a very large consumer doing something with it
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @benadida @cssquirrel the point of microformats is to agree vocabularies. Of course you can use any vocab you want, they're html classes...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @cssquirrel @MattWilcox microformats community vocabs are good path forward. #uf2 is even simpler syntax than #microformats #microdata #rdfa
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats That sounds good. I like mF community and ideals. I just worry about how much impact they may have given schema .org
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @benadida @cssquirrel the http://t.co/T8obHriv syntax is even more concise and simple. Microdata is very verbose.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats - but I'm not saying I like that Google's the controller of schema .org. Just that it's practical.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox single vendor (or oligopoly) controlled technologies are rarely (if ever?) longterm practical on the web. Open eventually wins.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Totally agree. But the tech needs a mechanism that uses it to succeed. Perfect tech that isn't exposed is pointless.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox good ideas can come from anywhere. plenty of #schemaorg brainstorms can be used to collaboratively improve open vocabularies.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Also agreed. But agian, <time> was on millions of WP sites. It's been dropped, "because no one parses it". It comes down...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Witness the XHTML or <time> and <data> debacle for how the open process can be equally short sighted and failure prone.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel no guarantees on open web. services have incentive to parse what's published. publishers adopt simple/easy/open tech
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats If I knew Google would always take mF I'd rather use mF (with mD attribute use) than schema .org because of democratic process
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/cssquirrel] Here's my conclusion from my convo, folks: Microformats is the preferred vocabulary since it is open, and schema.org isn't.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats ...to implementation. Not of the mF/mD in this case, but of services that expose them. Those services choose which succeeds.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox <time> is too well adopted (Opera, @h2vx consume), millions of pages using it. It's likely <time> will be restored in #HTML5.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats You won't get me disagreeing on prefering Open, it's an ideology i love. But it's often a practical failure.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox open processes *do* produce plenty of failures yes, which hopefully we learn from and do better. but that which survives is open
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox totally fair criticism heard loud and clear. @microformats is learning from #schemaorg, and hopefully we can share contributions
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox open is often a failure, practical or otherwise. yet closed is *always* a failure long term. that's the key: survivors are open.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I believe so too. Said as much the other day. But that such a decision was made at all is itself an example of poor process.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I agree, but it doesn't follow that open as an incubator is better. Closed can become open later, and closed companies can...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/doriantaylor] @cssquirrel Microformats still need to be centrally managed so they don't collide, albeit not by a consortium of private interests.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @cssquirrel @benadida are you saying that any of them don't? microformats 2's typed classes makes intent clearer
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats I disagree. Open democracies are ideologically preferable but often produce weak results. Witness Android vs iOS.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats See, this is one of the things I love about Open and the web community - feedback & learning. *high five*
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox open processes are also often far from ideal. transparent, chaotic, and messy. yet with open iteration we get better results.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats ...develop and release open projects.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats ...that's quite abhorrent. iOS could never have been made by an Open process. And it is vastly superior to the competition.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats The fact is that the most effective way of doing anything is to have a benevolent dictator in charge. But, ideologically...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox *high five*. constructive feedback is always welcome! Please join IRC: #microformats on Freenode: http://t.co/uiyKuuQK :)
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats iOS is software as much as hardware, and it's not open, and it's vastly superior as an experience.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats ...access requirements (IRC software & understanding, or email in case of W3C)? Lowest barrier to feedback is a forum.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats IRC. Man, that takes me back. How come you guys (and the W3C) use such antique communication mediums? That need special...
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox with hardware that certainly seems to be true. Yet with web standards, open has won. Apple, Microsoft, Google contribute to W3C.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats e.g., Open Office is a poor experience. GIMP is poor experience. Etc. Open can't win niches.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Agree Open wins for generic tech. Companies all stand to benefit if it's as generic as the web. Other stuff... not often.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Again, mailing lists are archaic and a barrier to entry. Genuinly curious, why do you use these methods and not a forum?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] @MattWilcox there's the microformats-discuss mailing lists also: http://t.co/FRCjRyJA - standards tend to use IRC more e.g. #whatwg #schema
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @microformats Forums anyone can browse, discussions are kept together and threaded clearly, they're searchable, require no user setup step.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/erikvorhes] @cssquirrel Microformats using microformat syntax.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MattWilcox] @dorward You can't claim that this: http://t.co/ZUBHMfds is a friendly experience?
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/joshcp] @cssquirrel @MattWilcox Great discussion on @microformats vs microdata. mF started a great thing, schema delivers a more robust vocab.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/joshcp] @MattWilcox @cssquirrel your comment about schema's clarity is spot on. @microformats wiki is a beast to digest.
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/emilylewis] @LeftyDesigner Been a while, but I still fee pretty much the same http://t.co/BJvZoSLW & http://t.co/x8pBEiO1
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @benadida is explaining #microformats history - the lower case semantic web http://t.co/OK2uwNaV
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn claims @benadida remixing fields from other schemas was not a #microformats goal
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @benadida where #microformats, RDFa, microdata agree is on using the actual contents of the page as data (the DRY principle)
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @t #microformats RDFa and microdata have all been devloped int he open, which shows that open specification works
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @t now explaining the http://t.co/T8obHriv - now simpler and more coherent. washes brighter.
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @t there was no way to write a generic #microformats parser - with http://t.co/T8obHriv this is possible
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @t the right thing to do is develop an open vocabulary first, then worry about the syntactic mapping to #microformats et al
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/paulmadsen] Microformats.org CEO announces shift in strategy 'the micro thing wasnt taking off, now we're all about big, real big, formats'
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/LeftyDesigner] .@cssquirrel per your earlier #cagematch RT @emilylewis I still feel pretty much the same http://t.co/rry3qR88 & http://t.co/Pv33rSMF
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/chickfoxgrover] Microformats 2! - read the wiki - http://t.co/MgPBHIhr
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #tpac #semsyn @t: RFC 6350 - vcard4 drew on Portable Contacts, hCard experience. http://t.co/K9aXzf9R Person ignored this
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/GetMeCooking] I keep hearing people talk about how food bloggers need to use hRecipe microformat now that Google implemented recipe search. That's WRONG!
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/hadleybeeman] Very good session on semantic syntaxes: RDFa, microformats and microdata run by @benadida & @t. #semsyn #TPAC
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/SarahRHarvey] Fresh Egg Gains Insight into Microformats | Fresh Egg SEO Blog http://t.co/AMt7nCLK
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/fabien_gandon] IRC and Twitter minutes of the #semsyn session are in the #w3c wiki http://t.co/q3mCskeq #tpac #rdfa #microdata #microformat #ogp
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/SoerenS] @ibpotter Breadcrumb microformat dukkede dog pludseligt op i DK, og er næsten et must idag: http://t.co/6UYYeJhN
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/MichaelOdk] @ibpotter hvis det skal være lidt nørdet: http://t.co/CowP32XX
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/msadig] <time> tag'i html5-den çıxarılıbmış: http://t.co/4bJ2dR3D
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/sushiday] Do you have a question about microformats, RDFa, or schema.org re: recipes?Let me know & I'll try to cover it in my #BWELA session tomorrow!
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/AlunR] @simplebits it'd certainly shut all those @microformats moaners up too! cc @beep
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# Loqi [http://twitter.com/omnireso] MY ONE PAGE : Microformats galore ? Nope it seems. Just another stylish online business card service ? http://t.co/yvwYPHRN
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] @marshallk @emilybell currently the 'show author photo' stuff requires a G+ profile, which is dubious
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/SoftwareTwts] Highlight Microformats with CSS :: journal :: hicksdesign Ο° http://t.co/hoLKRNxw
# Loqi [http://twitter.com/SoftwareTwts] Highlight Microformats with CSS :: journal :: hicksdesign Ο° http://t.co/VUjJZ041
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