#microformats 2011-11-18

2011-11-18 UTC
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chiefra edited /hproduct-issues (+245) (view diff)
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chiefra edited /hproduct-issues (+1051) (view diff)
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ChiefRA hi tantek, please have a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-issues on HP-9 and HP-10 problems. tobyink also provided his point of view on HP-9. Guys, please feel free to comment on them.
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tantek ChiefRA - regarding identifier / MLS
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tantek that looks more like a URI
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tantek like either perhaps juse use a URI like MLS:07231613
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tantek as a "uid" for the item
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tantek let's not reinvent URIs :)
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ChiefRA mmm
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ChiefRA I don;t understand.
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ChiefRA what do you mean? what do you wish to put instead?
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ChiefRA MLS is the national database for real estate properties.
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ChiefRA it seemed to me appropriate, to add it as a type.
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ChiefRA but also, on a parralel use, Real Estate websites, can and DO have their internal numbering for properties.
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ChiefRA to get them faster from database.
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tantek edited /hrecipe (-6) "fix a few heading levels" (view diff)
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ChiefRA so I would like to specify the MLS when occurs, to differentiate it from the other internal numberings that may occur.
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ChiefRA tantek? :)
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tantek "identifier" doesn't make sense as a new property
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tantek we already have identifiers in microformats - the "uid" property
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tantek and we already have identifier syntax - URI
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ChiefRA can you please construct an example based on mine?
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ChiefRA a real one to understand how would you put that instead of identifier
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tantek <span class="uid">MLS:07231613</span>
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ChiefRA mmm I see.
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tantek URI is the general syntax of type:identifier
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ChiefRA yes, that I know.
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ChiefRA URI = URL + URN
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tantek right, so MLS is just another URN scheme
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tantek no need to make up a new type of property for it
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ChiefRA the thing is Google recognize the identifier
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ChiefRA but I doubt it recognise the uid...
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ChiefRA but I can check .
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tantek for reference http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt
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tantek ChiefRA - did you make any progress in documenting Google's implementation?
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tantek I noticed we're missing some sections / pages for hProduct
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tantek adding now...
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ChiefRA ok great.
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ChiefRA thanks.
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ChiefRA in the mean time, I'll do some tests with Google Tools.
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tantek ah, the hProduct-examples page is a bit of a mess
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tantek mixing unrelated research vs examples in the wild
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ChiefRA yep.
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ChiefRA it was a little pain in the ass
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ChiefRA to construct an hProduct
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ChiefRA from those examples.
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tantek huh - looks like they all might be examples in the wild
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tantek moved / to /Special:Log/move "[[hproduct-examples]] moved to [[hproduct-examples-in-wild]]"
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ChiefRA tantek, google doesn't recognise the "uid" sintax.
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ChiefRA have a look: http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Farthur.selfnet.org%2Ffd-microformats%2Fla-hproduct-concept3.htm&view=cse
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ChiefRA but the "identifier" one it does:
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ChiefRA http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Farthur.selfnet.org%2Ffd-microformats%2Fla-hproduct-concept.htm&view=cse
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tantek ChiefRA - then that's an extension we should document in hproduct-brainstorming
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ChiefRA ok then. Can you please move the thread?
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tantek and still provide a proper solution re-using existing microformats
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tantek I'm still creating pages for better hProduct documentation
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ChiefRA My problem is that I need a faster solution
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tantek didn't realize they were missing
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ChiefRA and the actual one, seems to be based on "identifier" for the moment.
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tantek ChiefRA - I'm trying to help you document these correctly so you can both use it as you see fit and help improve the microformat
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ChiefRA ok :)
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ChiefRA I'm waiting then for you to finish.
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ChiefRA I'll be gone foe 2-3 hours, and I'll be back to read your comments, ok ?
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ChiefRA thank you for your help
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ChiefRA tantek, I do please you to think about one more particular aspect for Real Estate: Google "imposed" the use of a new parameter called "availability".. which for homes doesn't fit. However, if you don;t use it, Google won't show you rich snippes based on that particular hProduct.
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ChiefRA you can see it implemented also in the example I pasted you above.
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ChiefRA I had no other choice but to implement it with the parameter: in stock
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tantek edited /hproduct (+605) "add examples in wild, implementations sections" (view diff)
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tantek ChiefRA - could you document Google's implementation here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct#Implementations
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tantek I just added that section
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tantek such a section is supposed to be in every microformats draft/spec
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tantek not sure how we missed it before
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tantek by capturing documentation about the specifics of what Google supports, and how it extends hProduct, we can then better inform iterating on hProduct itself
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tantek thanks!
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ChiefRA yes, I will do it on monday.
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ChiefRA I'll copy the link and place there what it suppors.
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ChiefRA supports*
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tantek Thanks ChiefRA - appreciated
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tantek edited /product-brainstorming (+5503) "moved Coded examples from hProduct-examples to here" (view diff)
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tantek edited /product-examples (+1176) "moved analysis of existing product sites from hproduct-examples to here" (view diff)
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ChiefRA tantek you're welcome :)
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ChiefRA please when you finish re-arranging hProduct part, place the proper links here with a short description so for me to know which is which. thanks.
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tantek edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+0) "typo" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hproduct-examples-in-wild () "(-6132) reorganize/update per hCard examples in wild, moved research on existing examples to product-examples, moved sample coded example to product-brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek ChiefRA - updates to hProduct in this section and following: http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct#Examples
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tantek and what they link to
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tantek edited /hproduct-examples-in-wild (+212) "note separate section for older product examples which may or may not have hProduct (first one did, so leaving the rest there for evaluation), also, moving an implementation to implementations section" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hproduct (+172) "/* Implementations */ moved Karniyarik here from hproduct-examples-in-wild as it claims to be an experimental search engine - needs verification" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hproduct (-52) "fix copyright/patents links to be local" (view diff)
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groker edited /hcalendar-implementations (+143) "/* Search and Discovery */" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats-2 (+1514) "/* v2 vocabularies */ add note about all v2 vocabularies being flat lists, and usable for microdata items or RDFa, without property parsing prefixes. also, new profile URLs, notes, to-do" (view diff)
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groker edited /hcalendar-implementations (+143) "/* New Implementations */ add new search engine (polish)" (view diff)
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