#microformats 2011-12-07

2011-12-07 UTC
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/wahyu_winoto] Mikroformat dan hCard: Microformat and hCard Salah satu element penting yang harus dikuasai… http://t.co/hKbbBRL9
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/wahyu_winoto] Mikroformat dan hCard http://t.co/uPFPe2wx
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/utsavsabharwal] To check if a page has Bazaar Voice / HReview / Power Review Structure http://t.co/ThfTVJ1O
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jamierumbelow] @laurakalbag @ralphsaunders @dan_gates I'd recommend using hCalendar with the time element...
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/SlexAxton] I spoke too soon: Google parser has conflicts in Aggregate Ratings between RDFa and the hReview microformat. Seems like a bug, but whatevz.
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ChiefRA tantek I've read your post about the meeting, is there anywhere a summary of the meeting? (as the topics you posted doesn't say much of the discussions themselves :P)
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tantek ChiefRA - usually notes are a bit sparse and off the top of people's head from whoever attends.
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tantek edited /events/2011-12-06-meetup (+401) "/* Notes */ noted Franco's experience with hReview / rich snippets" (view diff)
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tantek ChiefRA - I added one more thing
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tantek but in general yes the topics listed were discussed - many of which were explanatory / introductory discussions in nature - that tends to happen often
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tantek we get a lot of new folks showing up to microformats meetups who are there to learn, about microformats, HTML5, semantic markup in general.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/MarcTV] Google mag mein hreview microformat http://t.co/6htLPGpp
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tantek good timing on that
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tantek so here's an hReview: http://marctv.de/blog/2011/11/20/batman-arkham-city/
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tantek and here's it showing up in search results with a rich snippet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/marctv/6472235497/
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tantek found via this tweet: https://twitter.com/MarcTV/status/144454884798894080
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@MarcTV Google mag mein hreview microformat http://t.co/6htLPGpp
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tantek this experience is interesting to note: https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/144353069352751105
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@SlexAxton After implementing Microformats, Microdata (schema.org), & RDFa on same data. RDFa is ugliest, Microdata is hardest. Microformats are nice.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/miramdeals] The hCard -National Discount Card- Savings, Online Coupons, Golf ...: The hCard -National Discount Card- Savings, Online Coupons, Gol...
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Phae yeah
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tantek !spammer miramdeals
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Loqi Got it! There are now 23 spammers blacklisted
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Phae he also followed up saying that he had a conflict with hreview and rdfa
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tantek saw that - in the Google rich snippet tester apparently
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Phae ah
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Phae yes
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Phae that's right
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tantek I don't think it's a technology conflict - it's just a problem with the rich snippet tester
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Phae seems likely
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tantek Phae - have you tried marking things up with microformats-2 syntax and vocabs?
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tantek I'm curious about your experience - since you've been trying multiple semantic markup techniques recently.
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tantek your *comparative experience
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Phae oh. no, not in anger. i shall do. i've got some stuff that i can try it out on.
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tantek I'm curious both about your experience marking up "simple" items (name of something, link, photo) and more complex composite items
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Phae yeah, that should be doable. we've got tons of addresses, both complex and simple.
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tantek would like to know your experience in particular with real world simple markup examples and the microformats 2 implied generic properties: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties
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Phae ok
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tantek and if you run into additional simple patterns, see if they're discussed (or add to) http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties#additional_markup_patterns_to_consider
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Phae right-o, will do :)
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tantek I think that's one of the best opportunities to further simplify microformats use in a huge number of common cases
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tantek even though current microformats markup is lighter-weight than both RDFa and microdata, I think we can make microformats *even lighter* (less "bloat" as some have noted)
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tantek and clearly webdevs prefer lighter-weight
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/rdmond] It's great that @foursquare is pushing #hCard #microformat as part of implementing their "Add" button.
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tantek @rdmond wow that is awesome - here's the documentation on it:
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tantek https://foursquare.com/business/brands/offerings/savetofoursquare
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tantek amd jere
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tantek and here's the hCard tester: https://foursquare.com/business/brands/offerings/savetofoursquare/tester
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tantek and once I removed the extra whitespace which was somehow messing up MediaWiki - our event page from last night has a proper hCard, and Foursquare's hCard tester sees it and matches it to their page for the venue! https://foursquare.com/v/the-summit/4c08a97aa1b32d7fbf6c96f0
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tantek this is very cool, Foursquare essentially has an hCard-based web action button that you can use to allow users to collect places to visit.
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tantek it's closest to a "read later" type action, but different
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tantek perhaps the category of "read later" web actions need be broadened to "do later"… hmmm
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tantek nm I already labeled the category "later" - tantek.com/2011/220/b1/web-actions-a-new-building-block#web-action-motivations
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tantek plus it's great that their web action button markup is so simple - just a hyperlink with a class name!
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tantek This might be the first web action which uses information from a microformat on the page (rather than hidden data-* params)
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tantek (or other random markup)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/microformats] Markup venues with hCard! @foursquare parses hCard for their "Save to Foursquare" #webaction button: http://t.co/CiL3CwY8 ht @rdmond
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/cvwebposse] 'Save to Foursquare’ Button with #hCard http://t.co/8slkB1o1
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