#microformats 2012-01-30

2012-01-30 UTC
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ChiefRA Guys, I'm back with my question: on hCard, I can't find a simple thing as job description of a person. How can I encapsulate the job description (presuming multiple job descriptions)? tantek, Phae aaronpk any clues on this? thanks.
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tantek hi ChiefRA, by job description, do you mean job title?
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tantek or perhaps a more general role?
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tantek could you provide a URL to an example of what you mean?
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ChiefRA hi tantek I was thinking of an ordinary hCard
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ChiefRA in a hCard where you underline a person, that person has a job title.
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ChiefRA that job title should be specified also within the hCrad.
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ChiefRA hCard*
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ChiefRA I mean, my name is John Doe, I work @ Microsoft as Senior Developer.
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ChiefRA how whould you encompas Senior Developer into his hCrad?
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ChiefRA hCard*
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ChiefRA as on the http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard there is neither specification to this nor examples about it.
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ChiefRA what I have found is the class "title" which is used on the hResume http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume @ Job titles. If "title" class could be used to describe a job title (or more job titles by duplicating "title" class as many times as needed to define all job titles) then we should include it + examples on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard page too.
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tantek ChiefRA, yes, hCard re-uses 'title' from vCard to mean job title.
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tantek which has been an unfortunate source of confusion
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tantek because 'title' is too generic of a term
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tantek so, yes, you can currently use 'title' in your hCard to markup the job title
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tantek (and yes it is in the spec)
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tantek but due to the confusion we've avoided putting it in examples
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tantek except there is one example translated from vCard
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-rfc2426#3.5.1_TITLE_Type_Definition
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ChiefRA oh,. I see now: the title class used in combination with the abbr is entirely different.
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ChiefRA perhaps we should then add a new class named "job-title" or something like this to evoid the confusion?
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ChiefRA or at least a paragraph saying this: Job Title: If you want to define a person's job title you could use the class="title". "title" class can be used in plural to define multiple job titles a person can have. For reference go to: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-rfc2426#3.5.1_TITLE_Type_Definition
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ChiefRA tantek, role = title?
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tantek ChiefRA the title *attribute* used in combination with abbr is different
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tantek <abbr title="expansion">abbr</abbr>
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tantek vs
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tantek <span class="title">job title goes here</span>
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tantek role is more generic than job title
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tantek though in practice I haven't found a good way of distinguishing them
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ChiefRA I just found it.
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ChiefRA :)
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ChiefRA I can place it on the website but I'll show it to you now.
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tantek however I have noticed that address book applications typically have a job title in the UI, but not "role"
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ChiefRA I have a real estate agent example: named John Ellis.
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ChiefRA he has his job title Real Estate Agent
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ChiefRA but his role within the company is this:
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ChiefRA is his specialization in fact:
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ChiefRA Specializing: Buyer's Agent, Foreclosures / Shortsales, Listing Specialist, Investment Property
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ChiefRA this could be a good difference example between job title and role ?
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ChiefRA as if it is, I could document this as a phrase on the wiki.
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tantek no - role is usually *less specific* than job title
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tantek so no that's not a good use for role
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tantek those specializations sound more like skills like someone would put in a resume
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ChiefRA perhaps, but they are placed as specializing on the website, see this page: http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis
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ChiefRA How should I encompas those specializing skills within hCard: as job title, as a role or as skills? Though, I didn't see "skill" class as a hCrad option...
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tantek I just noticed that Google's hCard rich snippet documentation also uses 'role' in a generic sense: http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146646
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tantek ChiefRA - what I meant by resume is that perhaps this is something we could use hResume for (which in many ways is a very enhanced hCard)
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tantek ChiefRA - you could always add those skills as tags/categories on the hCard
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ChiefRA tantek so you say I could use a generic hCard to encapsulate summary details about this Agent on the website, and on his profile page here http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis I could use hResume ?
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tantek right
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tantek and remember you can also put everything extra in a "note" on the hCard as well
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ChiefRA and the specialising should use the "skill" class then.
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tantek note: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Skills
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ChiefRA I read that just 20 mins before.
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tantek :)
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ChiefRA as I';ve seen your weekend coomments here and corrections for hResume
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ChiefRA :P
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ChiefRA so I've parsed it one more time.
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ChiefRA I know I could use the more generic "note" but I wanted to make it as correct as possible.
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ChiefRA andn start using the microformat properties as they were intended to.
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tantek yes that should work
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ChiefRA I will try now to see if Google's Rich Snippet tool recognize the hResume and how...
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ChiefRA I'll post here the results also
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ChiefRA tantek, here on this example http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis the guy has a serving area designated.
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ChiefRA how should I encompas that within the hResume ?
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ChiefRA under which class.
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tantek ChiefRA - didn't we discuss serving/coverage area before? You were gathering publishing examples as research last time we talked about it.
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tantek So I think it is still something to be brainstormed for hCard
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tantek ok - off get ready for the day (in Z+0100 currently)
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ChiefRA ok tantek thanks :) sleep tight.
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tantek (it's morning for me in Z+0100 :) )
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Loqi morning. looks cloudy
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ChiefRA oh right. then.... have a nice day :)
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ChiefRA here are minus 20 degreez and 50 cm of snow.
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ChiefRA it's quite cold. :))
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ChiefRA degrees*
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ChiefRA Celsius.
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Arkkis Hi! I have multiple hcards on one page (our company "Contact us" -page). Is there a way to have a spesific hcard converted to vcard file instead of just the first one?
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Arkkis I'd love to have "click the persons name to save it in your contacts" as an option and the link done with javascript.
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Arkkis but all the hcard > vcard converters seem to think that there can be only one hcard per page :(
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csarven Arkkis It has been a long time since I played with some of the mf tools, however, you should be able to export all of them. Try giving a fragment identifier per hCard. Use like http://h2vx.com/vcf/csarven.ca/%23i
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